What will be done about the ghost beehaw communities?
What will be done about the ghost beehaw communities?
hey folks, we’ll be quick and to the point with this one: ##### we have made the decision to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. we recognize this is hugely inconvenient for a wide variety of reasons, but we think this is a decision we need to take immediately. the remainder of the post...
If you don't know Beehaw.org defederated from us but communities from there that have a copy on this instance are still visible to Us and we can post on them, they can't see what we post or comment on those, and we can't see what they post and comment over there.
they are gost communities hosted on this sv because how Lemmy works, and my question is what will be done about them.
All platforms could benefit from one or two things here: a big clear notification when viewing cached content from a defederated instance, to inform the user, and optionally, the inability to interact with local copies of content while the instance remains defederated
I agree with this approach 👍
Everything Beehaw has been removed from my world. They have taken their box of rocks home. Let them keep them.
Last I checked, they have defederated 387 instances. That's nuts. They shouldn't be on any list that suggests them as a viable host to sign up with.
Don't defederate them. Let their users be confused as to why no one but beehaw users reply to their posts.
Agree. If you defederate, then you shouldn’t be considered a goto for federation. Probably they don’t expect to be either.
My biggest curiosity is what would happen if they refederated with lemmy.world? Would all the posts and comments that had been separated and not updated for each instance sync up to be viewable from both sides?
No. Syncing never goes into the past. It only starts at present and moves forward.
no, but new posts would be shared again.
I hope at the least that the Beehaw communities are removed from the List of Communities/All page since anyone from this server subscribing to them won't receive any updates. Meanwhile, they are taking up space and preventing other communities from reaching the higher ranks.
they will because you can post and engage in those ghost communities, a given user may never realized they defederated from us, but by the lack of beehaw.org users in those communities after the defederation.
Purge them all!
I know absolutely nothing about how Lemmy works but there's hopefully some way or will need to be eventually a way to remove old posts from a certain instance. For instance if there is illegal content it would need to be removed. Building a good solution for this that could be done optionally in the defederation process would probably be good and will be necessary at some point anyway.
For instance you defederate from a nazi server — you'd absolutely want the nazi posts gone from your server. And legally you'd need to potentially depending on where the server was hosted — and of course other kinds of illegal content and networks.
I'm not sure what the current state of the tools is though.
Is it just me or are they all disappearing as we speak... Or my app playing up? >.<
Making de-federation reciprocal makes sense to me. Just to keep things clean, and to avoid unexpected/weird situations.
Pretty sure degeneration is reciprocal as a matter of course
When you defederate from another site, you both stop sending to, and refuse to receive communications from it.
I mean to the degree where the communities become unavailable/disappear, instead a limbo state like I think it is currently.
reading their update today and ther impression that any refederation will be "weeks and months" then i think we should defederate.
while immediate re-federation is just bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy’s moderation tools, we now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think we’ll eventually be able to do this, although we don’t have a timetable on when yet.
we’re also now collaborating with him on how to move forward–and in the weeks and months to come we’ll be pushing to expedite the process of developing some of the necessary tools. https://beehaw.org/post/594843
its just confusing to have 4 of the top 9 communities on the community list be ones we cant actually interact with.
Keen to know too and have some words from our admins, just to hear the other side of this debacle. All I can see is 2 camps on the beehaw site, mad entitled ass holes crying that mommy took away their toys and people simping for beehaw admins and blaming us for spamming furry porn. shrug
