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Japan says Chinese military violated territorial airspace for first time

www.japantimes.co.jp Japan says Chinese military violated territorial airspace for first time

The ministry said one of the Chinese military's Y-9 intelligence-gathering planes had briefly entered Japanese territory near the Danjo Islands in Nagasaki Prefecture.

The territorial violation by China is the latest in a series of events amplifying tensions between Beijing and Japan.

A Chinese military surveillance plane breached Japanese airspace off the country’s southwestern coast on Monday, marking what Japan’s defense ministry described as the first known incursion by China’s military into its territorial airspace.

According to a ministry official, a Chinese reconnaissance aircraft briefly entered Japanese territory near Nagasaki Prefecture around 11:30 a.m. on Monday. In response, Japan’s Self-Defense Force put fighter jets on high alert and issued a warning to the Chinese aircraft.

While Chinese planes frequently appear in international airspace around Japan, this incident represents the first confirmed entry of a military aircraft into Japan’s territorial airspace.

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My reckless, irresponsible “solution” would be to just shoot ’em the fuck down. It’s a good thing I’m not in charge of Japanese border security. I’d probably start World War 3.
- Meh, Turkey shot down a Russian jet and nothing happened a handful of years back. Can you really be that mad when a fighter breaching protected airspace is shot down?
  
  It's not about "mad", it's about pushing boundaries. If they decide they want to...
  
  Yes, you can.
  
  Russia and Turkey have very different political dynamics than China and Japan.
  
  Also, these types of airspace incursions, followed by intercepts, are pretty standard amongst major powers.
  
  It doesn't mean they're benign, but that shooting down Chinese planes intentionally as a response, is something you do if you're willing and ready for the escalation path to result in open conflict, not simply an escalation.
  
  It's Russia, they are getting invaded, and they started the invasion lmao, not sure if Chinese military is as bad
- I mean sometimes they didn't even mean to be in your airspace, the instruments on the craft just went goofy and now they're lost. It wouldn't be cool to shoot someone down just because they don't know where they are.
  
  (Not saying this is what happened, just that it can happen)
  
  How does GPS just “go goofy?”
- That ought to be fun with all the border disputes. Some islands are claimed by 4 (well, 5) nations:
  
  Japan
  
  South Korea
  
  North Korea (because they claim the south and all their claims)
  
  Taiwan
  
  China
  
  russia has claims as well
- My reckless, irresponsible “solution” would be to just shoot ’em the fuck down.
  
  Reconnaissance aircraft are notoriously difficult to hit, due to their high altitude and high speed.
  
  Firing a bunch of ordinance into the sky would just mean raining it back down on your own population.
  
  The Y9 in question here though is slow, fat, and low - max speed of 360kn and a service ceiling of 10,000m. It's a cargo plane with EW stuff on it.
  
  Reconnaissance aircraft are notoriously difficult to hit, due to their high altitude and high speed.
  
  I mean, maybe in the 80's? The technological advancements of SAM have basically made speed and altitude mean next to nothing. Now most things depend on being hard to pick up on radar, or like the plane in the article, are just large planes filled with electronic warfare equipment.
  
  Firing a bunch of ordinance into the sky would just mean raining it back down on your own population.
  
  This would have been over the Pacific......
  
  This isn't reconnaissance, it's standard airspace incursion and intercept.
  
  Everyone here seems to be a really hawkish as of late, or possibly just having a very poor understanding of international relations.
Wheee.

But in seriousness, if China learned anything from Russia's invasion of Ukraine it's that military corruption is a bitch and you need way more equipment than you thought. I expect it's posturing. Sun Tzu: when you're weak, appear strong.
Why is China trying to piss off all its neighbors?
- So that they can attack Taiwan to "secure local allies" would be my incredibly uneducated guess.
- Notice me nippon sempai UwU
- At least this time they aren't claiming most of the South China Sea and ramming Philippine fisherman boats.
  
  But they did just do this.
- I suspect they have something to gain by fueling a climate of geopolitical tension. Maybe they hope someone will turn to them because they're scared?
  
  I'm not sure what exactly but I've got a feeling we're underestimating their intelligence when we say they're just posturing or being silly.
  
  But then again, several years ago people thought Trump and Musk had a plan and were just posturing as idiots while playing 4D chess. How wrong they were.
  
  I may just be giving the Chinese government too much credit... But I'm leaning towards no.
- To provide a distraction for their domestic problems maybe?
Not surprising China Always pushing borders, salami slicing, claiming what's not theirs, sending spy balloons etc

Sadly they just get away with it
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Damn that plane looks so much older than it is (2012). It looks like a C-130 had a baby with an ATR-72.

Edit: oh, it's based on an An-12, no wonder!
Remember when Japan was not respecting the borders?
- So not respecting borders is bad or was Japan justified?
- Remember what happened when they didn't respect the borders?
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