Lack of sleep can lead to psychosis and other mental issues. Preventing people from sleeping in some manner is just inviting unintentional consequences. More muggings, stabbings, rapes, looting or something else?
People being homeless is a failure of society, not an individual.
Preventing people from sleeping in some manner is just inviting unintentional consequences.
I don't think the consequences are unintentional. Torturing a homeless person by continuously harassing them for trying to get sleep, then recording them lashing out at a city worker or police officer after they've snapped, produces a set of video content that can be spread across the internet and used as kindling to turn the housed public against the homeless.
In the same way Project Veritas existed to harass and extort voting rights activists and health care centers, these laws and the associated anti-homeless activist base are going to be used to justify mass round-ups, imprisonments, and police executions of homeless people.
This is real actual fascism in practice.
People being homeless is a failure of society, not an individual.
“If You Born Poor,It is not your mistake, but if you die poor,it is your mistake”
― Bill Gates Sr., Showing Up for Life: Thoughts on the Gifts of a Lifetime
Should be noted that Gates Jr was born into a family of millionaires, with a mother who sat on the First Interstate Bank of Washington's Board of Directors and a father who was a founding member of the law firm PGE. If you want to talk about individuals who might be responsible for homelessness, these two are a good place to start. They've been "philanthropists" for most of their adult lives and commanded billions of dollars in charitable donations. But the their tenure in these non-profits and committees have yielded rising poverty, declining standards of living, and enormous new personal debts.
The folks who have horded the lion's share of the national wealth firmly believe that they aren't responsible for the consequential inequity and bankruptcy that their greed has produced.
I think the lack of empathy and compassion for homeless people comes from the puritanical roots of America where failure in some aspect of life was related to moral or character failure.
So again, it’s important to point out that the fact some people fall through the cracks means there are deficiencies in the social fabric which disallow optimal self determination for all individuals in that society. No one dreams of growing up to be a homeless person as a child.
America is the one country in the world which has the resources to pull off market socialism correctly. But many progressive ideals are off the table because of rich or billionaire class.
We should stop hating each other and just hate on the rich for robbing us of a healthy and well functioning society
All recent stupid SC stuff is because of 6-3 votes. These old fucks are seated for life.
“When tyranny becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” — Thomas Jefferson
When the government oversteps its authority and becomes tyrannical, then the governed have a responsibility to overthrow that government to reestablish the rights of the people to be free and only be governed by consent.
It should be illegal to be a billionaire while there are homeless people. Fuck the billionaire oligarchs!
We should make our rich and powerful worried about communism again.
Guillotine time!
Can you solve the equation?
Homelessness becomes illegal + For-profit prison system that's allowed by law to force prisoners to work + increasing cost of rent + lower relative price of labor =
spoiler
Situation of dog eats dog, increasingly pauperized labor market where the poorest layer of the population gets enslaved, and the second poorest, and the third poorest, and the n-th poorest all will also fall one by one, because guess what? Free workers now have to compete in wages with prisoners.
That's the plan, fascism, everyone but the elite works the camps
They're gonna learn the hard way there's no such thing as free work when the
workersslaves burn their factorys down.That's a refreshing thought, and I hope you're right.
If your labor is forced because you're incarcerated, you're absolutely justified in damaging your slavers any way you can. I'm not talking about work programs, unless they are "work programs" that you can be punished for not taking.
What if you aren't homeless but still sleep outside as if you were homeless? Is that allowed? Imagining someone registering an address where homeless can state that they live (but without actually living there), to circumvent the law..
At the end of the day, do you think that'll matter to cops? They're gonna arrest people either way.
The court has gone rogue.
Next up- making all prison labor protections optional.
There are prison labour protections?
In theory, yes.
What prison labor protections would those be?
OSHA and other safety stuff...
What the actual fuck.
No it doesn’t work like that.
Sleeping outside while homeless I am sure isn’t a deliberate choice. Homeless people aren’t magic. They can’t conjure a building to sleep in from thin air. Making it illegal doesn’t give tgem magic building making powers or like teleportation or whatever these delusional idiots think it does.
It doesn’t give them magic building powers, but it fills up for-profit prisons!
where the fuck are they gonna sleep then? at home?
that's right american homeless people, the US supreme court has solved homelessness: "don't sleep outside, just buy a house!" /s
Why even worry about it when you can just bus them to California?
Poverty is illegal. We are all poor.
So sleeping outside is now as legal as breaking into someone's home to sleep? But if you break in you might get to sleep in jail away from the elements? What coukd go wrong.
Cities banning homeless people from sleeping outside while failing to give them any alternative is bad, but I think the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment is a poor protection against that. This is the sort of thing we need actual laws passed to deal with.
But it is actually cruel to create a system that deprives people of sleep, which is something they need, and sleep deprivation has been used as a form of torture.
I mean, 99% of voters pick capitalists every single time, and then clutch their pearls when capitalist things happen.
On the plus side, it's still possible to do good things on the local level. (For now.)
Guess they gotta stay up like Freddy Krueger is chasing them....
Not ideal solution, but I'm so happy that something is being done. I think people who don't live in West Coast realize how much homeless people victimize working poor. That's me and my family. Rich people don't care that my wife can't take the Max to work for fear of being attacked. They'll just drive wherever they need to. My city just posted allowed camping map and guess what? It's all around apartments because it's close to transit. I've voted Democrats since I lived in this country, but they have been in charge of Oregon for ages and solved nothing.
something is being done
What's being done here exactly? I don't see how this does anything except increase the prison population, or move the problem to a new location.
Neither of those seems like a solution. But I'm also maybe missing something?
I am a person who is victimized by homeless. If I had an instrument that gives every homeless a home, I'd use it, but I don't have one. It's not my job to create one either. It's the government's job. Now I'm given another instrument that allows me to move the problem somewhere else. I don't care where it moves - it's not my job to setup this system. I can only choose between my family's safety vs some rando safety. I will ALWAYS choose the former. It's not cruelty on my part - it's just logic. People making these pro-homeless comments fall into 2 categories : 1. Not personally affected because they don't live here or are rich 2. Have high tolerance of danger like those people climbing mountain without rope. I'm not one of those people so any instrument to deal with my immediate problem is welcomed.
It doesn't solve anything, except make more poor people suffer, or make poor people suffer more. The cruelty is the point. If anyone in power was actually trying to solve anything, then they'd be sponsoring programs to actually help these people instead of imprison them.
Gotta keep those for profit prisons full somehow!
Someone should start a petition to make the supreme court homeless.
Shame on Gavin Newsom for pushing this.
Source? I'm a little surprised to hear this, since increasing housing in CA has been a big push for him.
The source is the article OP linked below the tweet.
The Supreme Court agreed to take the case after hearing from an unlikely coalition that spanned the political spectrum, including liberals such as California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) and officials in Republican-led states such as Montana and Alabama. The officials described governments overwhelmed by the scale and complexity of homelessness. More than 600,000 people are homeless nationwide, according to federal data, and nearly half sleep outside.
Newsom — who leads the state with the country’s largest unhoused population and frequently criticizes the high court’s conservatives — welcomed the decision, saying it provides “definitive authority to implement and enforce policies to clear unsafe encampments from our streets.” This decision removes the legal ambiguities that have tied the hands of local officials for years and limited their ability to deliver on common-sense measures to protect the safety and well-being of our communities.”
Well he did have this to say about it so he certainly supports the decision:
Today’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court provides state and local officials the definitive authority to implement and enforce policies to clear unsafe encampments from our streets. This decision removes the legal ambiguities that have tied the hands of local officials for years and limited their ability to deliver on common-sense measures to protect the safety and well-being of our communities.
“California remains committed to respecting the dignity and fundamental human needs of all people and the state will continue to work with compassion to provide individuals experiencing homelessness with the resources they need to better their lives.”
Well, I'm not from the United States, but I suppose this will force those cities to offer a viable alternative to homelessness. Things like free housing or the like
It doesn’t force cities to do anything. It just tells people living on the street they’re not allowed to be anywhere. It ignores that they have no desire to be there and have nowhere to go.
It’s like “no urinating in public.” Cities are not obligated to provide a reasonable number of public restrooms per some set area. In fact they’re not obligated to have any, typically. They simply punish people and then shrug when you bring up biological necessity.
The meme's template fills itself.
You would be wrong, the only viable housing they will provide will be cells.
Perhaps because i am from the United States i fr cannot tell if you are being facetious or not.
They've got those rose-colored glasses on thinking the American dream still exists.
