"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.
"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.
Israelis protested on Saturday night, calling for a ceasefire and the resignation of hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
They also called for new elections, accusing Netanyahu of prolonging the conflict to keep himself in power.
All the research I'm doing right now points to them just wanting their hostages back. Can anyone post evidence of citizens protesting the war on the grounds of genocide?
I just don't see the humanity here... I want to see it, but I can't find any evidence at all that they are against the actual atrocities being committed. If there is a huge vocal outcry for this, then their media (and/or ours) is doing overtime to hide it.
You won't be able to find reliable information because Israel has a lot of ability to influence discourse especially online. They will kill and threaten journalists. They are the global leader in providing computer exploits and spy tools to nation-states. Don't forget that nothing happened at Tienamen square, and there is no war in ba sing se.
If you think it's that simple you have no clue how controversial he is, and has been for roughly the entire time (increasing over the years). Israel isn't (yet?) stuck in a two-party system, so there's lots of different parties. Needless to say, Likkud (his party) does not get 50% of the votes. It is the largest party most of the time but not a majority.
The previous government formed with parties from opposite sides of the spectrum just to keep the Likkud out. It didn't last long, but neither did any of Bibi's governments in the preceding 2 years - we've had a political crisis because no one wanted to work with him because he's so controversial. The only reason he won the last election is that some parties on the left didn't pass the threshold to be represented (basically throwing away their votes) and he partnered with extremist parties on the far-right, which he previously wouldn't have lowered himself to but he was desperate to return to power. No one would partner with him but them.
As for the number of votes Likkud does get - yeah, it's a lot, but so are Trump voters (or pick your least favourite party/politician in your country) and it wouldn't be fair to generalise and say all Americans support Trump, would it? Not to mention, you only get to pick from the candidates that are available.
FWIW I voted against him, to the party that didn't pass the threshold :( it was the first time in their history this happened IIRC
Likud doesnt get a majority, but it does get a plurality for a reason. Its also far from the only murderous zionist party, the coalition formed is absolutely a majority. Even if people didnt vote for netanyahu, most of them voted for a murderous zionist party. Netanyahu isnt doing this alone.
While it’s fair that they’re protesting for their hostages to be returned, this headline puts them in a completely different light. I don’t believe anyone is actually protesting for a ceasefire.
This is correct. I can't find anything at all claiming this protest has anything to do with stopping the Palestinian genocide for the sake of humanity.
Article specifically quotes about the people being hostages of respective political leadership. Albeit a somewhat moderate take in context, still rather antiauthoritarian which tends to be anti war/genocide.
‘"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.‘
I really wanted to believe that, but they have the same PRV type of voting system as Ireland so that’s hard to believe. It’s not like UK/US where the votes are counted in a more primitive way.
I'll admit to not being the most knowledgeable person on internal Israeli politics, but my understanding is hes been holding onto power for a while through a combination of coalitions and judge nonsense. Even then, if he represented the views of 51% of Israeli's that would still be a lot of people who's views don't align with his.
The problem is that there is a lot of Israelis who are now against Netanyahu, but who are still in support of the genocide in Gaza, or who are always in support of the Settler terrorism and slow genocide in the Westbank.
No Israeli government has reduced or at least stopped settlements since Rabin was murdered. The Center and Center Left of Israeli politics are equally in favor of an Apartheid occupation and running Israel as a supremacist ethnostate.
There is some people that genuinely reject all of this fascist nonsense and demand actual peace and actual justice in Israel. But unfortunately they are very much a minority. And when they speak up they often get threatened, harassed and attacked.
I don’t know how the poling is now though. However with how the world currently sees Israel, I doubt it would be in a favor for the prime minister (as in not in favor for him).
Some of those dissatisfied with him will want an even more extreme right-winger. So you conclude too much from that figure alone, except that he's very unpopular.
I am curious to witness the mental gymnatics necessary to call these Israelis antisemitic...what absolute nonsense will need to be implemented this round?
I logged on after reading about the ceasefire, just to look for articles here, where the comments will inevitably say it's not enough and they're electing Trump bc they're so far left.
What does "left" have to do with it? Is it only leftists who object to genocide?
The number of voters dumb enough to switch from Biden to Trump is insignificant. What's going to happen is a whole lot of voters are just going to give up and stay home, and it won't have anything to do with how far left they are.
Just like every damn election, the left is telling the establishment how to attract voters, the establishment is ignoring the left, then the establishment will blame the left. The vast majority of those engaged enough to call themselves leftists are going to vote for Biden. It's the barely engaged working Americans who are going to check out.
So you're saying Israelis protesting the genocide won't be called antisemitic while non Israelis still may and those doing the name calling don't realize their hypocrisy? Just trying to understand.
Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF and have been actively participating in Apartheid. These people have been actively been on check points, raided Palestinian houses and killed and kidnapped (yes, kidnapped, because some are in prison without being proven guilty of anything).
This was done by Israelis.
Israelis are actively living in houses that aren’t theirs. In houses where the owners left due to their terrorism.
“We are not our government” but you are.
Spare me the crocodile tears and the fake democracy. We all saw your true colors. Genocidal maniacs.****
Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF
Most likely? I mean Israel has a draft for women and men with the only exception being Orthodox Jews - which, ironically, might be the ones most in favor of the current government. How does that make their point irrelevant?
have been actively participating in Apartheid.
Dude, that word has a different meaning from what you're implying. Call the atrocities in Gaza a genocide, that's fair. But it's not apartheid and neither is Israel an apartheid state, nor an ethnostate. Source: been to Israel, talked to people, there are no Jewish / non-Jewish toilets or fountains or anything, non-Jewish stores next to Jewish ones etc.
The rest of your blathering is just generalization. The same applied to people living in Gaza would make a lot of unjust actions look much better - after all, most of the people in Gaza have kidnapped and slaughtered civilians, no? Yeah, probably not.
So what do you call it when Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza, corrals and oppresses those populations and denies them representation? Sure as fuck seems like Apartheid from here, and this Genocide is just a brutal response to a violent resistance movement.
A lot of motherfuckers, ignoring the article as usual to grandstand, whining they were called out for antisemitism, instead of acknowledging anything in the article. Priorities noted, lemmy.
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
Egyptian state media reported “noticeable progress" on talks, although an Israeli official downplayed the prospects for a full end to the war in Gaza.
Hamas has repeatedly insisted that any deal freeing the hostages must include a withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and an end to the fighting.
"The most important thing is to bring the hostages back and to get humanitarian aid into Gaza," said Roi Tzohar, demonstrating in Tel Aviv.
But chances for a ceasefire deal remain entangled with the key question of whether Israel will accept an end to the war without reaching its stated goal of destroying Hamas.
The official said Israel was committed to the Rafah invasion, where an estimated 1.4 million people have fled the fighting in central and northern Gaza.
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