NYT Opinion: Government Surveillance Keeps Us Safe
NYT Opinion: Government Surveillance Keeps Us Safe
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Opinion | Government Surveillance Keeps Us Safe
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You know what would keep us safer? If the most prominent news agency in the US actually did its job and did critical journalism instead of acting like RT news.
For example, more intelligence gathering power given to intelligence agencies would not have stopped the Iraq war. If anything, the more power given to these agencies, the more official they sound when they make boldfaced lies because people assume they most know something actually substantiative with all that intelligence capacity.
We would have just launched even faster into the Iraq war.
Which of course is the point
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Waxman worked under Bush as a senior national security advisor. So the administration that believes in torture is advising us that government surveillance is fine and keeps you safe? Not sure I trust the source.
This is a guest opinion essay that many disagree with but find interesting. I don't think it represents NYT's views.
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It's an opinion article, so I don't think NYT has committed any malpractice here. They published an op-ed from Pence last week about Trump not being harsh enough on abortion, but that absolutely does not mean they dislike abortion. There are people who wanted FISA renewed because they are in intelligence services and see the benefits directly. I'm also skeptical of mass surveillance laws, but I'm glad NYT posted this article so I could read an opinion from someone who disagrees, and I don't think this establishes an opinion or stance on the part of NYT at all because it's not what op-eds are for.
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I’m also skeptical of mass surveillance laws, but I’m glad NYT posted this article so I could read an opinion from someone who disagrees, and I don’t think this establishes an opinion or stance on the part of NYT at all because it’s not what op-eds are for.
Op-ed pieces are about establishing the Overton Window, not establishing a news agencies position on anything. The fact that the NYT considers this part of a reasonable overton window is embarrassing and honestly revolting.
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What’s the old saying, Ben Franklin said it if I remember right?
Those who would give up freedom in exchange for security deserve neither and will lose both.
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What’s the old saying, Ben Franklin said it if I remember right?
Those who would give up freedom in exchange for security deserve neither and will lose both.
The original phrasing was "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." but Franklin didn't mean what most people quoting it today assume that he meant. (The author of that article is contemptible imo, being the sort of person who often writes things similar to the NYT Opinion piece which this thread is about, but I think his analysis of this particular quote is probably correct. You can read Franklin's original use of the phrase in context here.)
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Oh, man, a pro authoritairan-level-surveillance article from the NYT.
I did NAZI that coming!
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Well, it's an opinion piece, and a guest writing it, so there's that.
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That would only be a valid argument if the New York Times posted anything, from anybody that sent it to them for it to be posted.
Since that is not the case and the NYT is selective on what it choses to post as "opinion pieces" one can only conclude that the opinion piece that they chose to post is aligned with their line of thinking or at least does not add up to an effective argument against it.
Considering how the NYT specifically chose a known pro-Israeli who is not a journalist to write actual news articles about the Israeli attack of Gaza, it's extremelly hard to believe that when selecting which opinion pieces to publish in their newspaper they would refrain from trying to shape opinion.
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And people scoff at me when I say the NYT isn't left wing
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Neither were the Stasi or the KGB, because reasons
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Ah yes, the very comparable NYT and USSR. Brilliant analysis I must say.
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"authoritarianism is left wing" Is the most smooth brain take I've heard so far this year, congrats.
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You sound real upset for misreading my comment. Literally claiming the opposite lmao
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NYT is just a propaganda outlet for the US government.
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Here some excerpts for lazy people like me. This is how they try to justify not doing anything about a lack of privacy for US citizens.
Yeah sure, because we dont constantly keep seeing atrocities being commited even when the feds already had intel weeks, months or even years before anything happened.
So we just abolish probable cause and the burden of proof step by step because it makes things slightly easier? Sounds like fascism to me.