Mona: Court rules women’s-only exhibit must allow male visitors
Mona: Court rules women’s-only exhibit must allow male visitors
An Australian museum excluded men from an exhibit to highlight misogyny. A man sued for access and won.
Archived version: https://archive.ph/mkwF8
I'm not really a fan of the whole "we'll be intolerant so you know what it feels like" but it's also the only way I can really know what it feels like as a white man from a middle class family. I'm on the fence on this one.
They should just make it a small art exhibit out front, then 2 bathrooms, the mens is normal, with some basic art, but the women's bathroom has a bar and cocktail lounge and the extra amenities. Then the business wouldn't be excluding men, it would just be providing them a different experience in the bathroom which I feel like they'd have a much better time defending in court. But it also seems like this whole thing was done as a form of activism and it looks like one of the intents is for this business to close down so they can be martyrs.
You don't need to know what it feels like. Trying to fight intolerance with intolerance isn't successful.
That's easy.
For starters:
Go to China. Go to the middle east. Go to Zimbabwe. Go to the wrong parts of Brazil or South Africa.
Hell, go to Northern Ireland.
It's an idiotic thing to state that white people are not and have never been oppressed.
Go to the wrong parts of Brazil or South Africa.
What do you you mean "wrong parts"? 🤨
It's an idiotic thing to state that white people are not and have never been oppressed.
White (an invented and morphose social category predicated on anti-Blackness) people have never been oppressed for being white.
Plenty of down-votes but strangely no responses.
The more interesting thing to me is... They were modeling a thing that was popular in the 60s, according to the article. It's an art display to protest something from 60+ years ago. A lot of the people who would go to such an exhibit weren't alive, and certainly weren't adults at the time.
There are surely problems that women face today but I don't see how this helps shine any light on that or does anything at all for it.
Idk how I feel about this. I will say however, any time I've ever seen feminist principles be applied exclusionary, it's always additionally accompanied by TERF shit. It's a very quick pipeline from "no boys allowed" to "no trans allowed". The lines dividing can be so blurry... I don't think it's a good mindset.
I'll bring this up only once, because not only do I not want to deal with backlash, I also dont want to stand in the way of progress or hurt anyone who is trans, but: Notice how society mostly freaks out about Trans Women, and Trans Men are an afterthought in that outrage. Its because Misandry is playing a not insignificant part in this. A key thing about transphobes is they arent seeing Trans Women as Women, and its their ideas on how MEN are that are informing their vitrol. So you are seeing those two go hand in hand for a reason
Edit: Fuck it, I need to clarify: Trans Women are WOMEN, Trans Men are MEN
Yup, trans men are "poor deluded women and victims of the patriarchy" and trans women are "predators trying to invade women's spaces". And that's if trans men are even thought of at all.
Yeah that was the allusion I was leaning towards
From their website:
The lounge is a tremendously lavish space in our museum in which women can indulge in decadent nibbles, fancy tipples, and other ladylike pleasures—hosted and entertained by the fabulous butler. And as is always the case with Kirsha’s dinners and feasts, you are a participant in what she sees as the art itself, part of a living installation. Any and all ladies are welcome.
Any and all ladies doesn't sound like they are excluding people that may not have been born female. It sounds, at least to me, that it includes said person group.
Australia has a really good track record in that regard. So it's nice to see this as well
Any man that wanted to go in there just needed to self ID as a woman for thirty seconds,
Sometimes I believe women’s only spaces need to exist for some instances of women who experienced trauma to feel safe and be able to start their healing without their nervous systems taking over.
However, this doesn’t sound like that. This sounds like exclusion.
Under liberalism, the goal of the oppressed is to become the oppressor.
That's not exclusive to "liberalism".
Right, it also includes nazism, liberalism's ugly adult form and conservatism, liberalism's rude sibling.
I'm gonna start a "Dogs Only" exhibit and it's just a bunch of delicious hotdogs hanging from easily-accessible strings and shit.
Don't worry, I've got one for cats too. Same thing.
Perhaps women should take on The Melbourne Club next and see how quickly men change their mind on the subject?
I understand the guy's argument in this case seems to be the fact he bought a ticket at the same price as a woman but was excluded from one of the exhibits, but the overarching point of sexual discrimination works both ways.
There is. Arizona has slavery without having people own people - you're completely failing to address the horrors of compulsory labor.
Protesting misogyny through misandry - what a fabulous idea! Next, how about a protest against childhood obesity by starving a couple of kids to death?
Doing a shitty thing to protest a different shitty thing only multiplies the amount of shit instead of reducing it...
While I agree with you in principle, the guy that took this to the courts is a giant dickhead.
As seen by the other guy, who upon talking to artist about his similar suit said "oh, I get it now"
Why is he a dickhead?