This just seems like a bunch of straw-man arguments?
There's vegan fur and leather alternatives which aren't just plastic.
Actual fur and leather are also terrible for the environment.No vegans are yelling at indigenous hunters or saying that people of color should be exploited, using other people's suffering as an excuse to hurt animals yourself is silly.
Have you ever actually seen a vegan go after indigenous people? Or have you just seen people complaining about nothing like in this tweet?
Why spend so much time and energy trying to undermine veganism for no good reason?
We're simply asking you to not needlessly exploit animals.Vegans are far more likely to have changed their consumption habits outside of veganism as well. It is not a "save the animals and fuck everyone else" stance, and it is odd that you try to make it seem like that.
We're all just trying to do our best. With animal products it's simple; if there's a dead animal on your plate then you can be sure an animal suffered for your meal.
But if vegans aren't evil then I have to consider the consequence of my own actions and maybe change my habits!!! :(
"DON'T EAT MEAT!!" the EVIL vegan SCREAMS at the STARVING AFRICAN CHILD in the scenario I MADE UP in my HEAD to get MAD AT
Man y’all really get so upset about the fact that we exist (showing that you too could live and thrive without murder) that you make up the wildest bullshit
Mmm. I've seen the original tumblr post. It's not mocking veganism. It's pointing out problematic behaviour under the guise of moral purity.
Might wanna have a readup on 'decolonising veganism'
hard agree, tho I would say that all exploitation that stems from humans should be opposed. Indiginous (or just generally conscious) hunting, however, is necessary in todays world to keep at least some semblance of ecological balance and I would not compare it to exploitation on an industrial scale
and ofc Veganism without class consciousness is like environmental activism without class consciousness: just privileged gardening
Hunting is not necessary, humans killed all the natural predators because we didn't want them attacking livestock.
If we stopped animal agriculture then natural predators could be allowed back.
And we can use non-violent population control methods.Also, deer are straight up bred and released just so people can hunt them.
Hunting is needless killing and cruel because we can easily thrive without.
What do we do in the mean time? You know that eco-system recovery is a veeery long process. Also idk if that is another case of US-exceptionalism but that would be the first time I heard of the practice of breeding deer just to release them for hunting (not smth I know from continental europe)
The model of requiring a license for hunting with a ~ a year of prior training (or some other proof of the necessary knowledge for those who grew up with it for example) and restricting it to certain times and species as long as we haven't introduced natural predators again (which is not always viable, mind you) is a good model imo
Don't forget so so much ableism too!
And just for shits and gigs, not that its anyone's business - I'm actually vegan myself lmfao I'm just able to realise that that doesn't give me any moral superiority over anyone and that what others eat isnt my business, destroying capitalism is.
You don't think avoiding animal abuse is better than engaging in and funding animal abuse?
That's like saying that you don't care about what anyone does in the privacy of their own home while talking about domestic violence.
Yes we should let people do as they please.. as long as it doesn't hurt others.
Eating animals definitely hurts others.I think veganism should be encouraged from a administrative level, but it's similar to the process of secularization. For example: You can't force people away from religion and it's abusive practices (or eating meat for that matter). Education campaigs and massive restructurings in all social fields to make it more accessible, be it in terms of the school system (,costs of food or adjustments in the health sector) are needed to further secularization (or veganization) imo
If you feel personally attacked by this thats something for you to consider with yourself.
Nowhere do I say don't go vegan or advocate the meat industry, but you bulldozing over marginalized voices with your fingers in your ears singing the capitalism song as the earth hurtles towards destruction while you try and blame individuals for systematic problems is bordering on satire and got old about a decade ago.
Feel free to continue performing to the void if you please.Come the fuck on buddy, this is clearly implying that vegans are bad.
And again, countering the points isn't "bulldozing over marginalized voices"..
And that's still a straw-man, vegans aren't inherently pro capitalism, why do you bring this up?
You should try actual arguments if you wanna argue for something.
I thought you weren’t going to debate?
Did your Jimmies get rustled?
People making this about their white veganism ignoring the indigenous voice proving the point be like
https://files.catbox.moe/j7b85y.jpgYou could try engaging with the arguments instead of just throwing mud?
I simply countered the points made in the tweets, that's not taking away from anything.
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#DearNonNatives @dearnonnatives:
"Don't wear fur" yells the vegan "instead wear fake fur made from plastics that'll take hundreds of years to decompose into microplastics that harm the living things that ingest it, impacting entire ecosystems, or else you don't really care about animals" they say."If you eat meat you're speciest" the vegan yells at an Indigenous hunter. "You should be supporting the exploitation and labor of people of color around the world so unique foods can be shipped to you from around the world at low prices instead" they say.
Vegans will literally get mad at an Indigenous person for shooting a deer or killing a seal to feed their family and suggest that if they don't want THEIR family to stave maybe someone else's family in South America can so things like quinoa can be
easily accessible
