important rulepost

The USSR wasn't perfect (and Stalin ruined most things that were good obviously) but they weren't any worse than the USA or the west.

"BUHT REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED"

Reminder that "leftist" is a counter-constructive non-term.

Yes that was my point, easy to criticise tankies but at least they want to do things.

That's great, but liberalism as an ideology in the real world is pathetically weak on the right.

well it sounds like the tankie instance needs blocked then. What instance is that btw?

So you're willing to condemn Zelenskyy right?

Why would there be only one lie?

Western audiences care when a lie costs a lot of tax money and soldier's lives. Under those circumstances the lie eventually hits the headlines. Otherwise people tend not to look into it and the bullshit goes unchallenged, especially when questioning it means denying an atrocity. That's the whole point of atrocity propaganda. It works especially well on leftists because leftists are goodhearted people who care about atrocities.

For example, saying "Although people died in violent clashes on Chang'an Avenue and elsewhere in Beijing, no one died in Tiananmen Square" is a bad look. Your reaction to it isn't curiosity, your reaction is "how dare you erase the lives of those thousands of brave students who were crushed into a paste under the treads of tanks in Tiananmen Square!" And I fucking commend that reaction, it proves you have a heart.

and yet

• Wikileaks published diplomatic cables acknowledging that no one died in the square [1].

• Multiple established western journalists who were present at Tiananmen have said that no one died in the square [2][3][4][5][6]. These journalists are all otherwise critics of the Chinese government.

• Multiple organizers of the protests have said that no one died in the square [7]. Hou Dejian, who was there all night, called out the false narrative in an interview: "Are we going to use lies against an enemy who lies?"[8]

• A Spanish film crew was in in the square all night and filmed students leaving peacefully at dawn, singing the Internationale. Here it is on Youtube: [9]. This aired on Hong Kong news but never in the west — I wonder why?

But even if these sources managed to convince you, you're not gonna go around telling other people, because "The Tiananmen Square massacre never happened" sounds absurd and makes you look like some kind of holocaust denier — except the holocaust is supported by overwhelming evidence and the Tiananmen Square massacre is not.

So now you're aware of two lies.

Turns out there's a third lie, and a fourth lie, and...

You could write a post like this on North Korea, and people have [10].

You could write a post like this on Xinjiang, and people have [11].

I'm running out of bookmarks now — I don't make a habit of writing posts like this — but I hope I have at least gotten the point across that tankies have their reasons, and in a media landscape as distorted as the one we live in I think it is absurd to write them off as easily as people do.

Defending the genocidal western world in some contrarian bs over tankies is nothing but discussing. But please rationalize a million dead Iraqis, with this snobbish tone, you're probably correct.

The reason people are fleeing towards western nations is that the west extracts 25% of its GDP from the impoverished colony states these people are fleeing from.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937802200005X

Unequal exchange theory posits that economic growth in the “advanced economies” of the global North relies on a large net appropriation of resources and labour from the global South, extracted through price differentials in international trade. Past attempts to estimate the scale and value of this drain have faced a number of conceptual and empirical limitations, and have been unable to capture the upstream resources and labour embodied in traded goods. Here we use environmental input-output data and footprint analysis to quantify the physical scale of net appropriation from the South in terms of embodied resources and labour over the period 1990 to 2015. We then represent the value of appropriated resources in terms of prevailing market prices. Our results show that in 2015 the North net appropriated from the South 12 billion tons of embodied raw material equivalents, 822 million hectares of embodied land, 21 exajoules of embodied energy, and 188 million person-years of embodied labour, worth $10.8 trillion in Northern prices – enough to end extreme poverty 70 times over. Over the whole period, drain from the South totalled $242 trillion (constant 2010 USD). This drain represents a significant windfall for the global North, equivalent to a quarter of Northern GDP. For comparison, we also report drain in global average prices. Using this method, we find that the South’s losses due to unequal exchange outstrip their total aid receipts over the period by a factor of 30. Our analysis confirms that unequal exchange is a significant driver of global inequality, uneven development, and ecological breakdown.

As for the rest of what you said, see my other comment