Ukrainian foreign minister Kuleba to Western countries: "We offer you the best deal: you don't sacrifice your soldiers, give us weapons and money, and we will finish the job."
Ukrainian foreign minister Kuleba to Western countries: "We offer you the best deal: you don't sacrifice your soldiers, give us weapons and money, and we will finish the job."
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This is just Zelenskyi's government in Kyiv sacrificing everyone else to maintain the notion of a Ukrainian state for the wealthy elite who (coincidentally) live in Kyiv. Look at where the rich are. Look at where most conscripts are from.
Ukraine is split into the ultra wealthy (Kyiv), the moderately well-off (Dnipro, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kharkiv), and everywhere else (which is remarkably poor). Kyiv has more than double the GDP/capita of the next richest administrative region. This war devastates the eastern economic centers and solidifies power in Kyiv... And for what?
Ukrainian nationalism have sent hundreds of thousands of men and women to their death for no clear gains. Now, they want to send hundreds of thousands more, because the lives of Ukrainians mean nothing to the people in the white ivory towers of Kyiv. Is the sacrifice of more Ukrainian lives worth it to pursue the Western ideal of crushing Russia (so that the West can collectively focus on the Middle East and China instead)?
Ukraine isn't fighting "crush Russia" or "consolidate power," they are fighting to exist as a nation. They are fighting to not be part of Russia, and if you claim Russia doesn't consolidate wealth into a small few while sacrificing their poor as cannon fodder, you're unabashedly lying.
Now, do Western nations take advantage of this to severely weaken with no personal loss of life or territory? Absolutely. But just because it benefits the West doesn't mean it doesn't also benefit Ukraine.
They are hopped up on nationalism, which is encouraged by the Western warmongers for their own benefit.
Ukrainian nationalism as a concept is something that has always been a Kyiv-centered idea. This is true stretching back to the Russian Revolution, as well. The concept of Ukraine as an independent state has always been Kyiv's idea.
Tell me you don't understand Russian history without telling me you don't understand Russian history.
Oh, it's Ukrainian nationalism causing the deaths is it, not Russia invading? Do you really believe such obvious bullshit and lies?
Well, if Ukraine didn't stubbornly insist on remaining a nation, there wouldn't be any fighting. Checkmate western scum. /s
Look at where the conscripts are coming from. You tell me.
so they should just become putin's bitchboys instead?
They had a peace deal laid out in front of them. That peace deal was orders better than the status quo today, nevermind where the war will be a year from now.
Uh, because they are all within one nation. They identify as Ukrainians.
You could transmute your statement to any other nation and it would be the same. Why do the people in Archangelsk fight for Moscow? Why do the people in Wichita fight for Washington?
Tribalism is an innate feature of the human experience.
Despite Taiwan's charter stating very clearly that they are the rightful government of China, the people there identify as Taiwanese.
Oh, oops, I don't think I'm supposed to find contradictions.
Wow, you’re right! You have found the one chink in my armor that completely tears down my statement!
The Romanovs must all be British now.
The Dalai Lama must be American.
Lana Peters is Russian. So are all Ukrainians and Tatars that were forced to migrate.
Pack it up folks, by the decree of Nekandro, you can never be part of multiple tribes or switch ever!
That was your claim. Thanks for disproving it, I guess?
I never said that Ukrainians must only identify as Ukrainians, just that it is the reason why folks outside of Kyiv choose to fight. Do not put words into my mouth.
Folks out of Kyiv are being forcibly conscripted right now. Jesus, look at Ukrainian social media. It's bleak out there.
Just replace Ukraine in this post with russia and you have the true facts. Incredible this projection thing, always the same with fascists like you, always blame others of what you do and want.
It's a war for Moscow that nobody outside of Moscow cares about? At least Moscow hasn't completely decimated the demographic pyramid of Russia.
Not from a lack of trying, mind you.
Russia started this war shooting elementary schools with tanks and launching rocket strikes on hospitals. Do you really think this is just about "the western ideal" of crushing Russia? If you want to see why Ukraine is fighting so hard to not become part of Russia, just look at how shitty Russia has been to its soldiers and people during this war.