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I suppose Russia's invasion is definitely imperialism, but I don't see anyone saying both sides are at fault.
Some of the nuttier members of the ML communities are definitely saying it.
On the crosspost I'm seeing a single Feddit user saying it.
Which is in line with Feddit.org which supports Israel.
supporting Israel is a sign that the platform has been taken over by Hasbara bots.
There's a surprising amount of Hasbara bots in this thread already.
I don't think lemmy is worthwhile botting, I think they're severly misguided people though. Or people who read a variety of liberal/conservative media to "get a view of both sides" and ignore leftist stuff as "too extreme".
Then you don‘t consume enough right wing media
Which might have tipped you off that this comic is not about Russia.
It is also about Russia.
Russian is trying to annex Ukraine not colonize it.
They are attempting to do the same thing, to erase the national identity of the people living there and conquer the place.
Even the settlement thing matches, the Soviets used to move Russians into all the republics to erase national boundaries and make them all uniformly Russian.
Settler Colonialism means murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house. Not trying to force your own culture upon civilians.
Examples are America, Australia, Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.
murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house
Yes, exactly like what Russia is doing to Ukraine, too.
Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. We're not talking about off-cases but national policy.
Or do you believe that Russia wants to expell all Ukrainians from Ukraine?
If Russia is trying to annex Ukraine, then Israel is trying to annex Palestine.
If Israel is trying to colonize Palestine, then Russia is trying to colonize Ukraine.
Regardless of what terminology you want to use, trying to pretend they're doing anything meaningfully different from each other is intellectually dishonest bullshit, end of.
Good thing Hitler just wanted to annex the Sudetenland and not colonize it, he would have been a pretty bad guy otherwise
No Hitler did settler colonialism. In Europe. He threw the natives in ovens and stole their house.
That's why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil. He did settler colonialism against white people.
Yep, that's why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil, the settler colonialism.
The Anschluss and the annexation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia were both justified under the guise of protecting and uniting ethnic Germans in the regions, Hitler even said he'd totally, for realsies stop after that. But I wouldn't expect .ml'ers to care about anything that happened before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact broke down.
A few weeks after the Wehrmacht’s March 1939 occupation of all Czechoslovakia, and despite increasing doubts about Western intentions, Stalin again approached the Franco-British powers.
On 16 April 1939, he submitted a formal proposition: a three-power military pact with the obvious goal of deterring Nazi aggression.
Stalin’s diplomatic proposal mirrored the agreement in place prior to the First World War, in which Britain, France and Russia were bound together in an alliance directed against the German and Austro-Hungarian empires.
Had Stalin’s approach been accepted, it can only have changed the course of history – as such a union would have ensured, right from the beginning in the event of a conflict, that Hitler faced a nightmare war on two fronts.
This final Soviet offer of alliance with the West was snubbed, however, with the British in particular treating Moscow with disregard. Strong anti-Bolshevik feelings were widespread amongst the conservatives in the British government, and with Chamberlain himself.
Buddy, I'm not going to defend the actions of Western powers during the build up to World War II. I agree with you that an antifascist alliance should have been formed and could have stopped Hitler much sooner and with much less death.
I do find it interesting that the article you provided makes no mention of Soviet annexation (Imperialism? Colonization? Liberation? Let me know which hyperspecific term for invading another country I should use) of the pre-Brest-Litovsk territory they lost.
I agree with you that an antifascist alliance should have been formed and could have stopped Hitler much sooner and with much less death.
You seemed to imply that the USSR gladly made a peace treaty with Hitler at the onset instead of trying to gather allies to fight Hitler first.
Let me know which hyperspecific term for invading another country
Imperialism. Unless the USSR expelled or tried to exterminate the citizens of conquered territory, that would be settler colonialism.
For more information on the terminology and why it's important: On 'Arab Colonialism'
I'll give that a watch, thanks.
I took issue in the first place because you seemed to imply that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is okay because it's specifically annexation, and not some other flavor of invading and taking over someone's country, and I'm opposed to that regardless of what one calls it.
I wonder, how different would the internet be if tankies were denied the use of copypasta.
Unlike the Soviets and Kaliningrad. Wait...
Lmao oh boy
The quality of tankies has really gone down. This one started tried to make a really big deal about the difference between annexation and settler colonialism, as if that matters at all. I'm only disappointed that most replies fell into the obvious trap.
Feel free to check with different sources if you want, but yes they ARE trying to colonize Ukraine.
https://cepa.org/article/behind-the-lines-russias-struggle-to-colonize-ukraine/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/the-war-in-ukraine-is-a-colonial-war
Moscow Plans to Colonize Occupied Ukraine With 5 Million People
I suggest looking up the difference between conquering and colonizing. Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia, not make it a client state.
And then look up what settler colonialism is. Because if it was that, then those Ukrainians wouldn't be in occupied territory anymore.
What a stupid fucking hill to die on.
Hey, nobody gives a shit! They're both bad and the comic is also about Russia
A very important distinction that is clearly not just splitting hairs.
How about you finish that sentence first a change?
Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia-
… against the will of Ukraine.
Which means…….?
What's the difference in the end?
Potato potato.
Russian apologists are hilarious!
Russia claims that their invasion is justified because ukraine supposedly massacred Russians… Ukranians who are russian according to russia…
If you were to take the middle rode somehow for some reason you would decry both sides as in the wrong
middle rode
?
Did you mean "middle of the road"?
No