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Both of the Joel Schumacher films are fun if you don't take them seriously. They're not perfect by any means, but I'll throw them on every few years and have a good time. I can't even remember the last time I watched the Burton films, besides clips of "Love that Joker"
Batman Returns is in my holiday movie rotation.
I think you just have to judge them for what they are, not hyper gritty neo noir anti hero or the gothy expressionist dark serious tone, but more of a campy fun 60s Adam West bman style everyone just going really hammy.
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