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Too many people here just blindly hating on Bernie and nitpicking how "Stalinism is technically incorrect". Where's the Trump hate? Bring some of that shit out. I'll start.
Fuck Trump, MAGA, and their entire cult of personality.
Because turbo libbing is not the solution to defeating Trump. It is similar to saying Israel has the right to defend itself before each statement. Bernie is actively antagonizing commies by repeating US imperialist propaganda and applying it to someone he does not like.
If you feel antagonised when someone criticise Stalin then that's a you problem though.
Staline's Image Cult isn't "imperialist propaganda"
Americans using their global opponents which they demonize in all their media as insults is an all too classic trope.
I am sure we are all extremely well informed on Stalin because of our unbiased media.
Yes, the US has red scare propaganda.
Historians exist outside of the US, though. We have decades and decades of non-US, non communist-scare historical research to know what the USSR and Stalin did. If you don't want to recognise the errors of the past, you will repeat them. If the most you can do is aim for Stalin's USSR but 2025 version, then you're as much an enemy of the people than capitalists are.
red scares have been a global phenomena, not one isolated to the US. Pointless red baiting in response to what Trump being a fascist is about what I've come to expect from Bernie, the guy who can't call it a genocide.
Declassified CIA documents from the time even say that Stalin was not so much of an autocrat as commonly mythologized.
non communist-scare
Oh? What are you referring to?
Research done by people whose purpose wasn't to produce red-scare propaganda (I don't know how I could have worded that better, I'm not a native speaker)
Basically, I live in a country where the communist party used to be very powerful. Red scare has been a thing here, but leftism was strong in the country, and lots of historians here have published good quality researches about the USSR
Fun fact though: our """communist""" party is now between centrism and neoliberalism. Their alliance with the socialist party destroyed anything it had to do with communism
Such as?
We're not all from the US, but yes all the western block got anti-Ussr colored info. Still there is little you can find that can make a critical mind see Stalin as anything but a dictator. There are things you can admire in Marx, Trotsky and even Lenin, but if you cannot see how Stalin hijacked the revolution to make his own autocratic empire that while somewhat communism flavored, was structurally not that different of a fascist state, then you are willfully blind. The leader worship, the paranoia, the constant surveillance, those have no place in a communist society.
It is those aspects precisely that make Sanders equate the republicans to stalinists. I think the comparison is apt.
Stalin did massively advance Russian science and industrialization. But he did so at a massive human toll. Also his role in fighting Hitler is so minimized that people think he colluded with Hitler when the USSR basically defeated Hitler by themselves at Stalingrad and America swooped in afterwards.
The USSR did the greater part in defeating nazi Germany, seriously nobody who knows a thing about the fall of the 3rd Reich could deny that. They did so at a huge cost in soldiers and material. This is something that the world should thank the people of the USSR for, their sacrifice was terrible. However it was not Stalin defeating the nazi's single handedly. His troops and officers did, nor did Stalin do this out of the goodness of his heart or through personal heroics. It was a fight for survival.
The Nazis lost at Stalingrad. Only after their defeat and being pushed back, America swooped in and took over Europe before Russia could.
Then they saved the Nazi scientists and officers and gave them top positions in NATO.
Oh I'm not disputing that one bit. But was Stalin in Stalin in Stalingrad at the time personally leading the defense? Or was that Russian soldiers and officers?
Also Russia did much of the same when it comes to scientists http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/inostr-yazyki/nemets/Uhl_Stalins_V-2_2001.pdf
Yes but also no. The Russians used Nazi scientists to kickstart their own rocket programs under strict supervision. They extracted knowledge to educate their own scientists and then sent the Nazi folks back to Germany.
The US and Europe however gave Nazi officers and scientists high ranking positions and influence over their politics.
Indeed a serious difference.
Stalinism isn't actual leftist politics. It's sycophantic moronery, just as Bernie used it.
So when Stalin collaborated with Nazis to kill and chase away my relatives from what is now Ukraine that was imperialist propaganda? Why did so many of my ancestors flee Russia at that time?
You mean the peace treaty he signed with Hitler to stall for time and build weapons after France and Britain refused to join forces with him to fight Hitler.
Have you considered asking yourself why France and Britain refused?
It is quite astounding to blame Stalin, the guy who basically fought Hitler all by himself, for the Holocaust.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
Stalin's actions killed 7-20 million people, intellectuals, minorities, and poor people. At least a million of which were deliberate deaths. People who defend that for political expedience are unquestionably misinformed or evil, take your pick. My family was fleeing for their lives.
I am all for some form of socialism, defending evil people is not how you get it.
Damn, that's a suspiciously wide range.
Does it include Nazi soldiers killed by the red army in world war two? (Spoilers: yes)
This person is mad about dead Nazis
My ancestors were Jewish, they were chased out under threat of death. Absolutely repugnant to claim I'm mad about dead Nazis in that context.
Seems like it's more repugnant for you to be condemning the USSR for killing Nazis
Quite frankly, I think that the voters who would be put off by Bernie stating that MAGA and support for Stalin share similarities are both worthless and minuscule.
Let's hope he keeps doing it. Unless commies are out there fighting ICE with fire they can go get fucked.
You have to make bridge statements in order to reach a broader audience
protip: most of the bernie haters are forum sliders. Mods are even less likely here to do anything about it than on reddit.
Lemmy should be a place Bernie's policies are celebrated, but due to shills, bots, bad actors and just trolls, every post about him will be brigaded and turned into a shitshow
Lemmy is complicit in our march towards fascism and their lack of action is telling of their motivations
Lemmy should be a place Bernie’s policies are celebrated
Make another instance. You have a Bernie community. I also do support Bernie Sanders, it's just that we all know Trump is bad and saying so is redundant.
Lemmy is complicit in our march towards fascism and their lack of action is telling of their motivations
First of all, a social media site has no action. Regardless, I have seen tons of articles shared on here about how awful Trump is. Secondly, I have been working at food banks and engaging in protests. I've been emailing my senators, and getting people to support Cascadian Separatism, if not Bioregionalism, and letting them know about other ideas that would help. I am also disabled with PDD-NOS by my doctor when I was a toddler, despite this; I do my best to regularly meet people, learn from them, and tell them about my ideas. In fact, I've been voting in State elections and County elections for the candidates that I want, working my best at the State level if not the National level.
Or this is just a bad attempt at manipulating conservative rotbrains from Bernie, who knows they don't mind being called fascists which has led him to the conclusion of calling them communists instead.
He's probably right about what will bother them but he's just playing into their rhetoric in the end.