In Zohran Mamdani’s Win, Socialism Beat the Status Quo
In Zohran Mamdani’s Win, Socialism Beat the Status Quo
There is a hunger for bold, transformative politics in the United States right now. Zohran Mamdani shows how the Left can run on a principled, disciplined message that speaks to voters’ lived concerns — and win.
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He seems like a decent person, and his platform is okay for the most part. He's definitely better than the sex pest that is Cuomo, and so I guess it's a win in that regard.
However, y biggest issue with him is that he has openly accepted the endorsement from the DSA. That is not a good sign. The DSA is the most vile and parasitic bunch on the American left. They openly simp for dictators and tyrannical regimes, they endorse violence, and they outright support terrorist groups. They're genuinely the worst of the worst. The fact that he hasn't rejected their endorsement, or at the very least ignored it, but instead accepted it with open arms is a major red flag.
Edit: I like how the DSA supporting cowards have nothing of value to say, just discretely downvote and scurry away. Fuck the DSA.
Which terrorist organizations does the DSA support?
Hamas.
The terrorist attacks happened on Oct 7th. The world was in shock as it happened because that was the deadliest terrorist attack in the world has seen since the Camp Speicher massacre back in 2014 and 9/11.
Most people and governments around the world at the time condemned the terrorist attacks, they condemned Hamas for committing them, and they expressed sympathy for the victims. This was doubly so when Hamas took responsibility, proudly displayed videos of the attacks and the victims, and it became apparent that they took hundreds of hostages.
What did the NYC DSA do? They fucking organized a pro-Hamas rally on Oct 8th in SUPPORT of the terrorist attacks that literally happened the day before. They outright endorsed and celebrated the attacks on the streets. This isn't an exaggeration, that's literally what they did. You can literally google the rally and see this for yourself.
The rally was so disgusting, so immoral, and so evil that it caused an uproar around the world, including inside the DSA and the left in the US. So many people, including big politicians like AOC, Shri Thanedar, and Bowman, either quit or disassociated with the DSA:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/aoc-pro-palestine-nyc-rally-00120684
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/
The backlash was so strong, that the NYC DSA was forced to write a press release statement addressing their actions two days later on Oct 10th... and they came up with this:
https://socialists.nyc/press-releases/statement-peace-now-end-occupation-apartheid/
They didn't condemn the terrorist attacks, they refused to name and condemn Hamas or the PIJ, they even refused to call the attacks as such, they instead called them "escalations of violence". It's like holding a pro-ISIS rally a day after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks, and then victim blaming the French people for the attacks. How tone deaf is that?
Keep in mind the context here, we're not talking about the current day. This is before Israel started it's bombing campaign on Gaza. At the time, a very egregious and straightforward atrocity happened. The human thing to do is to condemn it because terrorism is evil. This is why people condemn both the Oct 7th terrorist attacks and what Israel has been doing since, it's because that's the principled thing to do.
To this day, they still have never rescinded their support for Hamas or the terrorist attacks.
The DSA actually did something similar when Russia invaded Ukraine. Most people were in shock and they condemned Russia's invasion and atrocities, but the parasitic DSA decided to "condemn" the invasion by blaming the US, Ukraine, and NATO for Putin invading.
https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
How are these not open endorsements of violence? How they are they not explicit support for terrorism? How are these positions not tone deaf and immoral? These parasites have no morals and they have no principles. Extremists like this need to be condemned and disavowed, not openly accepted. Mamdani's acceptance of the DSA endorsement is a big red flag.
I didn’t want to assume you were a fucking islamophobe, but I’m not at all surprised. Go to hell, zionist trash.
Lemmy users are so intellectually lazy, and this is a prime example of that. It is so obvious that you can't defend your views on their own merits. Instead of providing a counter argument that explains your views or address my points, it's far easier to just pull random, baseless ad homs out of your ass and pretend that you did something.
I'm neither a zionist nor an islamophobe, and there's literally nothing in my comment that even mildly implies either. But that won't stop you from making stuff up. Too bad it doesn't mean anything, but I'm sure you're next logical fallacy will surely get the job done.
However, y biggest issue with him is that he has openly accepted the endorsement from the DSA.
Your only issue is that he's to the left of netanyahu.
That's the dumbest thing I've read on this site all day
Sorry, was netanyahu too far to the left for you too?
Not supporting a shitty a brainless, dictator simping, terrorist endorsing, violence condoning organization like the DSA doesn't mean I support Netanyahu. Fuck him and everybody like him. At the same rate fuck anybody who's dumb enough to think that the condemnation of one political parasite is an endorsement of another political parasite.
Not supporting a shitty a brainless, dictator simping, terrorist endorsing, violence condoning organization like the DSA
This also describes the DNC, with whom you have no evident problem.
I have a lot of problems with the DNC actually. Any more assumptions you want cleared up?
Sure. How much further to the right do you want them?
You're so close bro, just a few more disingenuous attempts and you'll surely catch me as a secret ultra right winger.
Disingenuous? You hate the DSA for reasons that apply to the DNC but I don't see you as angry at every democrat as you are any given member of the DSA.
You just hate progressives and found some copypasta that suits your selective dislike of things both the DSA and DNC do.
You ARE being disingenuous.
This isn’t about “hating progressives”, it’s about integrity. If a candidate claims to stand against the establishment but proudly accepts an endorsement from a group that’s defends extremists and doubles down on moral incoherence, that’s a real problem. You’re not even attempting to address that.
Instead, you're dodging with bad faith assumptions and false equivalence, as if calling out one group’s hypocrisy demands total denunciation of everyone else, or that I'm obligated to spread my criticism evenly for it to count. Going "b... bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe DeMoCrAtS" isn't even a valid point, that's just the whataboutism fallacy which are you using to deflect from the criticisms being made.
Also, labeling valid critique as “copypasta” doesn’t make it so, make it wrong, or make it go away. It just shows you’ve got nothing to say about the actual issue, otherwise you would've done so instead of desperately scrapping for anything fallacy you throw out. The endorsement from the DSA wasn’t just a footnote in his campaign, it exposed a contradiction you’d rather not reckon with.
But I know you're not honest enough to actually address any of this, so like I said, you're so close bro. You're just one more disingenuous attempt, and you'll surely get me next time.
Okay I guess I will say something in addition to the downvote: none of that crazy shit you're saying about DSA is true, they (we) are a bunch of idealistic do-gooders trying to make the world a better place.
What value did you actually add though? You provided no explanations, no counter examples, no specific disagreements, no points, no arguments, no sources, nothing. You literally just asserted that I'm wrong and that the DSA is good with no additional input at all. This is just a downvote in text form.
I literally have a detailed comment with sources that prove what I'm talking about in this very comment thread.
Your comment above and the longer one are just complete nonsense. You're hyper-focused on this October 8th rally that you claim was organized by DSA (it wasn't) and which you claim endorsed and celebrated the October 7th attack (it didn't). And then you're taking various DSA statements about how they oppose war and violence as proof that they secretly celebrate violence from the side you oppose.
Come back to reality!
This is literally just a longer version of your previously pointless comment.
I don't think you understand, so let me explain. You asserting that I'm wrong, while claiming that you're right... neither proves me wrong or you right. Proof by assertion is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy. Why? Because you didn't provide anything of substance and you're not addressing the points being made.
If you want me to take you seriously, then you're going to need to stop being so lazy, and actually provide your reasoning. You have to address the specific points you disagree with, provide reasoning as to why you disagree with them (including the sources that I provided), explain why you believe in your views, and provide what your evidence and logic is for your positions.
This should be common sense, I shouldn't have to explain this to you. If you're incapable of doing this then that you means you either lack the ability to defend your views on their own merits or you just can't counter my points properly because you know they're right. Simply, put up or shut up.
This isn't really a reasoning thing, you are just repeating some common lies.
I literally don't care how many of you mouth breathers downvote or repeat the same bullshit assertions. It's not going to change anything. Not a single one of you has been able to address a single point or address a single argument or even point out a single flaw. You didn't and I know you never will either.
This, right here, is the best you could ever do. I literally asked you to provide a case like 3 times now, and you're simply not able to. That's all there is to it. It's clear you're full of shit, you're aware of can't prove me wrong, but you're dishonest to admit you're wrong so you resort to whatever this is. You're done here, I'll only reply if you have something of substance to say, which I know you won't.