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Hello all,
So i am in a canundrum. I am going to buy a new car (EV) and of course want to buy something from which the EU benefits. I am considering the Skoda Enyaq and the Cupra Tavascan. Both car brands are part of the VW group, which is a European company. However, I found out that the Cupra is built is Hefei, China, while the Skoda is built in Czechia which is of course in europe. The Cupra is in fact more equipped than the Skoda while also being cheaper. This may of course in part be explained by where they are built. How do you guys feel about this?
Thanks for your insights in advance!
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The skoda is assembled in Czechia, but the parts come from all over the place including china. You won't find a fully european car.
Honestly I'd go with whatever car suits you the most.
Though I wanna urge you to reconsider choosing an suv and go with something eco-friendly instead
Some people need the space if they don't live in a city and have lots of children or dogs or tools and then an electric SUV is much better than a ICE van or truck.
Especially if that home had terrible bus and train connections because of the decades long fight of the country's right wing party to defund and dismantle the public transportation network in order to privatize it for their corporate interests.
Thank you for your answer. I agree with you, getting the parts is done from all over the world. But it does mean that a larger part of the money I pay stays in the EU right?
With regards to the comment on the SUV. I cannot disagree with you. The weight of most cars is a large issue. In terms if performance I don't think specifically the Skoda under performs much compared to for example the VW ID.7 which is more of a station wagon. Do you have any suggestions with regards to a more lightweight car, with at least ~70kwh capacity from a European brand?
I don't think you'll find anything significantly lighter @ 70kwh, i4 comes to mind but its only like 100kg lighter. i3 with a 70 battery is about 130kg lighter
Is the Skoda Enyaq an SUV though? I kind of had in my head it was an estate
Yes. You can go on carsized and compare with an octavia or superb wagons, it's pretty big esp from the front.
edit: here's their own press release calling it an SUV. Their product page for it is just marketing bs though, for obvious reasons.
Great link, thanks. Wow it is. I'm not against the idea if it offers more internal space but so many SUVs/cross overs are the same size inside as a much smaller car.
We'd hired a vw t-roc for 4 and turned up with too much luggage. They encouraged us to take a bog std estate (Fiat Tipo) and it was insane how much more fit in it
with something eco-friendly
The Enyaq is absolutely about as eco friendly as it gets. It's very energy efficient and has good aerodynamics.
We can't all drive around in stupid Fiat 500 cars that suck balls because they are from Stellantis.As eco friendly as it gets? A vehicle that weighs at least 2 tons, which also want to be decelerated from time to time? Come on man.
About as eco friendly as it gets. Very important detail, I never claimed it was best. But the difference to a sedan is negligeable.
I understand it's counterintuitive, but Yes actually!
https://youtu.be/YMLQrEaped8?t=2016Notice it's more efficient than the Ioniq 5 !!! And also than the BMW i4 which is a sport sedan.
https://youtu.be/EYLQzWnALE4?t=886
This is the older iV80 in the SUV version, slightly less efficient than the newer one, but still doing pretty well.
Obviously it's not the absolute best because of the weight, but it's not nearly as bad as you probably thought.
It's almost identical to the ID3 which is not an SUV.VW did an amazing job with the MEB platform, and Skoda did an amzing job with the design of the Enyaq, so it's better than the VW ID4.
You could also get some solar panels, and 200 or 225 Wh/km becomes near irrelevant.Electric cars are notoriously heavy, that's not unique for Enyaq. A Sedan is heavy too. To be significantly more efficient than the Enyaq, you have to go way down in size INCLUDING battery size! Which makes it a much less versatile car.
My Fiat 500 comment wasn't either a joke or sarcasm, that's how far you need to downgrade before it makes a significant difference. For me an electric Fiat 500 would be completely useless. For instance I need to be able to pull a trailer.
VW did really get "the car part" right, but man... my colleague bought Skoda and he's more and more frustrated from the app and cars quirky systems. Just today the car refused to turn heating on, not remotely, not even when he was in car. The only option was to reset infotainment to factory settings. But then parking sensors stopped working... You can do bare minimum through the app remotely. Not counting that the app more often does NOT work at all rather than it does. "Car unreachable" etc. even when his phone and car are at the same wifi at home...
That's weird, most comments I've heard it should be very reliable?
But I've only been looking at the Enyaq. Are we talking about the same car?Edit PS: I think it doesn't have over the air updates, maybe it's a bad (early) version, and he should have an upgrade from the shop?
He has Octavia PHEV, which should have virtually the same system as early Enyaqs... And it's really PITA, so much so, he's about to sell it and buy Tesla, even though Elon is such a prick.
he’s about to sell it and buy Tesla,
🤣 🤣 🤣
which should have virtually the same system as early Enyaqs
No I don't think so, Octavia is not the MEB platform, but probably based on an older software design.
I can see here the Octavia PHEV was never popular, despite the Octavia used to be. but the PHEV sales numbers are extremely low, and apparently was only available for a couple of years. The sales were only 1.6% of the Enyaq!I've seen many reviews and read fora about Enyaq, and I've never heard about anything like you describe. On the contrary I've often heard it described as very reliable, and for VW group as a whole a huge step up from previous models. The Octavia PHEV is admittedly not previous but contemporary, but maybe the software is different IDK.
According to the Skoda homepage the current Skoda Octavia software version is (O3A4) SW1985, but only ICE is listed, For Enyaq it's ME3.8.
So no I do not think it's the same software, and your friend should probably check if an update is available.