'Deep sense of outrage and betrayal': House Democrats react to Schumer announcement that he will vote for Republican spending plan
'Deep sense of outrage and betrayal': House Democrats react to Schumer announcement that he will vote for Republican spending plan
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And this is how you get folks to stay home on the couch in 2026.
And then yell at them in comment sections when the democrats lose to fascists again.
If you don't vote for them... They will lose...
They're not a hockey team where it doesn't matter if you participate as a fan or not. If they don't get votes then they don't get political power.
And what is the difference between them winning and losing? I’ve been voting for them for years and hating it every time and getting nothing but excuses.
And what is the difference between them winning and losing?
Are you fucking joking?
I’m frustrated. Democrats win and don’t get anything done because of republicans and then lose and don’t bother resisting the republicans.
Republicans make things worse, of course , but democrats don’t or can’t make things better.
I’m frustrated.
Of course you are. As am I. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to just "give up." Yes I'll vote against Trump at all chance even if it means I'll lose. Because I may not.
I don't want a leader who is fucking exciting or a firebrand. I just want a competent administrator who treats the nation as something to be preserved. And that's a hard sell against a cheap auto-salesman like Trump.
Republicans make things worse, of course , but democrats don’t or can’t make things better.
But those are the only two options. So you pick a democrat and hope for the best.
If the democrats are the best we can hope for then we are well and truly boned.
And how much longer am I gonna have to hold my nose and vote for an asshole I hate before they get enough power to mean I don’t have to?
Will I be dead before I can actually vote for someone I want to be in office? And even then will they have a stroke and start schlonging conservative dick?
Politics is a game designed to be so infuriating that most people rage quit.
You're saying this in a thread about a Democrat who won. What is the difference of Chuck Schumer was there or not? It seems to be the same result either way.
Do you know how Congress works? I'm trying to determine if I have to explain what a "majority" means or not.
Oh yes here we go another comment about if they don't have a complete and total majority that they have no power whatsoever. What fucking bunk. He was elected as a senator by the people of the state of New York. He has a solemn and sacred duty to serve those people. It doesn't matter if other people didn't win election it's still his fucking job. If he can't fucking do it he should resign as should the rest of the useless parasites in that party who don't feel they have any responsibilities left to the public.
What a useless party this is and what useless people who are loyal to it.
You kids act like there's some sort of consolation prize. Is it because you all got participation trophies or something when you were children? You lost the house, the senate, the presidency and the f'gin SCOTUS.
What political power do you think you really have anymore? Whining on lemmy about how you don't want to vote for a boring candidate? No wonder MAGA is winning. They f'ing vote.
The complete destruction of civil rights, a stable state, trade relations, diplomatic relations, the integrity of elections, the actual health if the nation, so on and so on.
The complete destruction of civil rights
We lost Roe under Biden's watch
a stable state
The Memphis police department got COVID money from Congress that went into the pockets of the officers who beat Tyre Nichols to death on Biden's watch
diplomatic relations
We torched whatever credibility we had left on human rights issues by arming Israel while they carried out a genocide when Biden was president
the integrity of elections
Republican led states passed tons of voter suppression laws while Biden was in the White House
the actual health if the nation
See my comment about the destruction of civil rights
Which has all happened despite me voting for them for the last 25 years
Bro wat.
Them winning makes it harder for the Chuck Schumer's of the world to come up with excuses for caving to Republicans. Simply electing anyone with a (D) behind their name isn't sufficient, but it is a necessary step one of unfucking the country.
Counterpoint: John Fetterman
Counterpoint: Kirsten Sinema
Counterpoint: Joe Manchin
Counterpoint: Joe Lieberman
Yeah, fair, but those are all step 2 problems. Like, Fetterman has been infuriatingly awful, but Dr. Oz would have been at least as bad.
We never get to step 2 because like clockwork they lose seats every couple years and we need those assholes just to keep a slim majority.
It’s been this way my entire life. Step 2 will never come.
It’s been this way my entire life
Same. FWIW, I felt totally alone when I was complaining about this stuff decades ago, now even the most moderate people I know will say things about Republicans that I wouldn't repeat on public forums.
Step 2 will never come.
Honestly, I don't know if you're right or not, but I do know that they will make it feel impossible right up until it actually happens, and I just don't think there's any better way forward than this (admittedly difficult) one
There’s no “they” doing it. It’s a fact of the structure of the government and 250 years of cruft. We can’t not vote for the democrats, no matter how bad they are, which means they don’t need to care what we think.
You should have voted blue because this time it would have worked for sure!
Who are the facists in this context? Shubert or the guys he’s voting with? Asking as im not based in us
Schubert
Thanks. Im not very good with names
Schumer is a Democrat so based on the context they're referring to the Republican fascists
What an irrational response that would be. I see this as even more reason to not be ambivalent.
Voters aren't rational, and what Schumer is doing doesn't instill faith or loyalty in the party. Two things Democrats need to motivate their base.
I think you're missing their point. They aren't saying they are going to do that, or that it's a good idea, they're saying enough people are going to react that way for it to be a problem. It's not good enough to be correct, you need to be convincing. Just because I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil doesn't mean I'm not concerned that not everyone will.
I agree, but we should all be very well aware that most voters are going to act irrationally and conduct ourselves accordingly. Any logical observer could see that the Dems candidate wasn't as bad as the Repubs in 2016 and 2024, and look at all the good that did us.
It is stupid to threaten the GOP with a shutdown.
The GOP is already trying to dismantle the government. A shutdown would just help them do it faster.
Holding up makes the dismantling a legal affair to be solved in the Courts.
This CR in Sec. 1113 (b) allows the President to begin sequestration, which basically renders all those legal cases moot.
This CR as is is the sole thing Trump needs to avoid any more legal cases related to firing whoever he wants and shutting down whichever department he feels like.
Section 1113 of the CR just basically says that if the President gets rid of someone under sequestration then the budget automatically adjusts to match no need to pass another budget, no need for Congress to get involved.
The Democrats could argue for this to be removed to keep the cases in the Courts, but once this passes with this language, none of those Court cases matter.
Well they'll matter in that the cases will establish that they couldn't be fired back in February but with the new law they can now be fired. So the cases will actually go on but to basically argue over how to pay the employees for those four or so weeks that they weren't legally fired.
Trump has been ignoring the courts this whole time.
If a shutdown would leave dismantling of the government up to the courts then that sounds like exactly what Trump wants.
It's a delaying tactic. If the government shuts down, nothing can move forward. They can't fire people and continue destroying offices because those employees all get paid through the shutdown but nobody can do any work. Any of the paperwork involved - pink slips, etc. can't go through because there's nobody there to send them or even read the emails.
If a shutdown helped the Republicans, then that's what they would've been going for in the first place.
Every extra day it takes them is a day where things haven't gotten worse for everyone and an extra day for the already fracturing Krasnov administration to continue to fall apart and eat itself.
A shutdown would just help them do it faster.
If this were true GOP lawmakers would be pushing for a shutdown themselves.
I think the most honest answer is nobody knows what would happen after a shutdown with this administration because they've just been making up federal law as they go this whole time anyway, but really the fact that Schumer and Fetterman want this bill to pass while Sanders Warren and AOC want it to fail should be all you need to know to know.