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You could have donated to a children's Hospital, which the Republicans are about to cut off all funding to with the government shutdown and again in a few months when DOGE cuts 2.5 Trillion in funding for hospitals, healthcare, research, infrastructure, etc.
Instead you're making sure some random killer gets peanut butter and crackers for the next 30 years. SMH
Hello there Mr. President.
Go bitch at a billionaire to donate to the children’s hospital
Got his email?
There’s this guy who runs this shitty renamed social media site I bet you could easily reach out to
Oh please, that guy is begging the users for money. Blood from a stone.
The worlds richest man is begging for money???? Lololololol excuses
there's a reason he's that rich...
It’s not from begging lol
not literally no, but when you refuse to spend any of your actual money. That's how you get that rich.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
He’s rich because he started with daddy’s slave money and then continued to exploit labor and natural resources to get to his position in life.
No! NOOOOO! He's smart!!! He's smaaaaaaaaart 🤡 how else could he have that much money if he wasn't #1 big brain of all time?!?!
Sorry I thought you were talking about Trump's Truth Social. The humour isn't lost on me that your highly specific innuendo wasn't clear enough lol.
If we're talking about Elon Musk...? Then I get the feeling the anti-tax dude who just elected the Republican majority and whose family ran bloody emerald mines in Africa would be willing to donate, I think I'm better off here reaching out to all of you.
I'll write something nice up if you've got that email, though.
I’m sorry why should I be “donating” to a fucked up system when I could support deposing those who run this system?
Sounds like musk is a great candidate to be thrown into a volcano next. Or maybe we should just send him to mars one way, he’d like that.
You would be donating directly to a fucked up nonprofit Hospital who treats terminal children, with no insurance middleman. There is not supposed to be incentive to this. This is something people should be open to doing.
There’s also the answer of why not both
Ones too yucky for a liberal.
If you gave a dollar to the Jailhouse commissary and a dollar to St Judes then I commend you, absolutely, but everyone would be better off if you gave $2 to St Jude.
Let your fingers do the searching, builds character and self-reliance
Your suggestion is equivalent to me asking you to go converse with a wall instead.
Your suggestion isn't much better.
I didn't make any suggestions, you asked me to go tell the Billionaires to donate and I asked you for their contact information, which you absolutely don't have.
I didn't make any suggestions
You could have donated to a children's Hospital, which the Republicans are about to cut off all funding to with the government shutdown and again in a few months when DOGE cuts 2.5 Trillion in funding for hospitals, healthcare, research, infrastructure, etc.
Come on now.
Oh that? Hang on, you're saying "talking to a wall" is better than or equivalent to "saving the lives of sick innocent children"? Man this is really such a wacky comment thread fr fr.
I honestly wouldn't have been able to piece together your concepts if you didn't lay it out for me, that's truly some unthinkable cruelty you've developed.
You could say this argument about people buying alcohol or cigarettes or lottery tickets or McDonald's cheeseburgers. That money could go to better things but that's not really the point. I mean, it's their own money, they can do whatever they want with it. If it makes them happy to give it to some dude at a prison why is it any of your concern? You can feel free to give your own money to the children's hospital.
Alcohol, Cigarettes, Lottery Tickets, or McDonalds are all personal use. Giving money away is another matter entirely.
You know what might save more children than donating to a children's hospital? The destruction of our current healthcare insurance system. Of course you know that. You're just intentionally making a bad faith argument to distract people because you're a bootlicker and an enemy of the working class. Get the fuck out of here troglodyte.
Banning guns
Also yes
So instead of tens of millions of children having necessary medical care covered, none of them will.
Great plan, hope it works out like it does in your head.
I would think that the majority of that donation revenue stream is captured by the crooked health insurers.
Alright then, obviously the solution is to just pay for each other's care without the insurance so let's start an office that facilitates the pooling and allocation of funds for healthcare costs to be covered based on specific terms to prevent misuse that...
wait a minute...
No, the obvious solution is universal healthcare funded by taxes. Healthcare in the sense of giving care, not withholding care.
The benefits are so obvious arguing for the current US system is disingenuous.
Yes that's exactly the solution I propose, and the only way we get there is to elect a supermajority of democrats and single-payer minded independents. Many people in these comment threads do not agree with that plan.
Until that happens, if you intend to throw any money towards Luigi's jailors, I strongly urge you to throw it towards charity instead.
Lmao. Donating to organizations and charity is a waste of money. They are just grifts that take a majority of those donations to enrich their executives and maybe 5-15% actually goes to the cause you support.
Im too poor to give either money but i would rather see it go to someone who brought awareness to the issue and inspired more class consciousness and solidarity than the wall street military industry profiteer owned democrat party ever has.
They are just grifts that take a majority of those donations to enrich their executives and maybe 5-15% actually goes to the cause you support.
any references i can look at for this claim?
There is no law mandating that charities have to give any specific amount of the money they collect which is why many charitable organizations can get away with siphoning as much as they they can to executive pay and administrative costs 5-15% may be a lowballed generalization there are likely some people in these roles who do better. Red cross claims 90% goes to the cause but thats highly unusual. There are 42 different charitable non profits in the us where their ceo alone is paid over $1,000,000. The ceo of the sloane kettering cancer research center, Selwyn Vickers earns an annual compensation of just over $5.7 million. Now thats not much for a charity that takes in 7.3 billion but i would be surprised if more than 1.5 billion of that actually went to cancer research My favorite argument against charity is by Slavoj Ziezek in “first as tragedy then as farce” who argues that charity demoralizes and degrades it is immoral to use private property to alleviate the issues caused and exacerbated by private property society instead needs to be reorganized so that poverty is impossible.
Here is some good reading on how the system of charitable non profit organizations is abused bh the wealthy to further enrich themselves
https://ips-dc.org/report-true-cost-of-billionaire-philanthropy/
Really telling that you pretend to care about "awareness" of a problem and at the same time don't care about saving lives like this one:
Oh fuck right off. Murdering more health insurance CEOs would save that child, not “donating” to the hospital.
Fuck for profit healthcare. Time to human sacrifice more CEOs into the volcano until things change.
That child literally will not be saved by removing CEOs. Even if you somehow magically make it virtually impossible for a New CEO to take their place with a nonexistent army, the funding needs to be distributed to the hospital and killing CEOs doesn't make that happen.
Electing Democrats and Independents makes that happen. Removing Republicans from congress makes that happen.
Electing Democrats and Independents makes that happen.
No, it demonstrably does not.
We demonstrably got Medicaid Expansion and pre-existing condition protections when we gave them 59 votes in 2010, would have gotten Single Payer if we gave them one more. We haven't even tried to give them those numbers since.
lol. Temporarily got back the barest minimum of protections and a handful more people made destitute by our system are no longer completely excluded from healthcare if they jump through the right hoops. Great, democracy wins! Except when it doesn't. "just one more!!" "vote harder!!!"
Being unpopular doesn't stop the Republicans. It's always excuses with the democrats. Always the voters' fault they can't get anything done, even when they run bad million-dollar campaign after bad million-dollar campaign that demostrably turns away voters and are very careful not to promise or even mention the things you are promising, but trust me!!! They're gonna do it this time!!
Of course, why would they say anything else or take the time to correct you? It would be terrible PR, they would lose their loyalists! And then everyone will have no choice but to vote for Republicans!!!! ^(third parties are not viable and don't even bother showing up for them until our beloved party members remove FPTP which is definitely going to happen in the foreseeable future)^
When will you stop making up excuses for the Democrats?
Got "back" ...?
Got it for the first time. The purest most primal form of society is not one where all medical is covered by the government and all conditions are protected, that is a system we create for ourselves by voting for legislators who will enact it. You can try saying "voting harder doesn't work" when we actually try it once.
You can try saying "voting harder doesn't work" when we actually try it once.
Was the unpopular candidate winning with a historic number of votes in order to get Trump out not enough for you?
No, not even close, we need a democrat supermajority in congress to pass stuff. I don't like it either but that's how it's been for longer than I've been alive.
man i love the irony in these rage posts.
It's always such good memes.
Charaty is disingenuous. it attempts to burden the working class by paying some of what little they have to alleviate the societal problems caused by wealth inequity and a system that putts profits for a few over the lives and well beings of those actually doing the work and their loved ones. If we had medicare for all then this poor beautiful child would well be taken care of. And All the money thats otherwise used to pad the pockets of people who spend more on a weekend vacation than you or i could earn in a dozen consecutive lifetimes could be spent on research and medical care thats often denied to bolster profits. Go guilt trip the insurance companies who are responsible for the deaths of 180 human beings on aberage every day due to claim denials. How many of them are children?
I'm just saying if you're going to throw your money around on a cause, there are better options than Mangione. Insurance companies denied claims yesterday and they'll deny claims tomorrow, you haven't done shit about it.
true, good point, you could pay someone to kill someone, wait a minute...
(for legal reasons this is satire)
Unironically that would have more "impact" than paying Luigi's commissary. Successful or not I'd rather assassins got paid than the private prison canteen.
im guessing paying him commissary is only going to cause more problems in prison anyway. Money is a hard to get item in prison.
Prison Commissary or Canteen is a system in the USA where inmates can recieve designated prison goods like snacks, transparent game consoles, radios, or clothes via the account being prepaid by the prisoner's friends or family.
Any money you put on his books will NEVER go to Luigi.
yeah, not personally, the dude has no rights, he's in prison lmao
Instead of petulantly thinking that everyone has started supporting random murder, maybe actually consider the reasons Luigi gave for killing this man and that maybe it's those reasons and not random street violence which people are supporting?
The situation is so dire, so many people are dying out of the greed of people's profiting from the crazy system that murdering those people seems like a reasonable response.
Think about that.
What sort of a situation would result in murder actually being a reasonable choice? Because America is in that situation.
What sort of a situation would result in murder actually being a reasonable choice?
i can think of a few. Gary plauche notably.
Oh there's lots of situations.
The point being that when you're in a situation where it is, it's already pretty desperate. So no arguing needed here, this just having happened is enough evidence to point to how fucked capitalism is.
Reasons mean fuck all, I'm a consequentialist.
Well the consequences of our health care system has you arguing in bad faith about donating to children’s hospitals being a moral spend of money.
Arguably, it perpetuates the system.
The fuck is in bad faith? I'm serious. Any penny you would have sent to Luigi is infinitely more impactful when sent to a real charity that helps real innocents.
Yeah well let's check back in ten years and see what the consequences were. The global society, or even just the American society, is pretty large. Things which change in populations of hundreds of millions don't happen instantly.
We know there's a strong reaction from the corporate class, vis-a-vis added security, charging the woman who quoted Luigi, etc etc. We also know that Luigi has immense support behind him.
And you don't see that as being a developing situation? You've just called it that "nothing happened his actions meant nothing"? I'm starting to feel like you're some corporate troll. I'm not saying you are, but your breath clearly smells of boot-leather.
Luigi doesn't have a majority of support in any demographic, their highest is 41% among young voters and thats when you add the somewhat supports and definitely supports together into one group.
And whether you support him or not makes no difference. He isn't a senator or a city mayor.
Luigi doesn't have a majority of support in any demographic, their highest is 41% among young voters a
Oh corporate polls don't showed support for a person who murdered a corpo?
I'm socked.
And whether you support him or not makes no difference. He isn't a senator or a city mayor.
Which one was Rosa Parks?
Im not giving any money. Its winter and propane is $20 a refill lasting 3 days. Maybe ill send a christmas card I have some stamps lying around.
But the outpouring of support including people wanting to put money on mangione’s commissary is most likely due to the fact that many people have been thinking this for a while and if mangione is indeed responsible what he did was he said the quiet part out loud. And now the billionaires and their executive corporate pets are scrambling on pr and damage control to scold the rest of us for our irreverent response welcoming revolution and class war.