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it'd be cool if we could like vote for shit. But like, also fix the fucking voting system.
Would like to see more talk about that alongside voting itself. People seem too content with the shitty system we have. And i get it, it's a kill or be killed world out there or whatever the fuck, but like, we should have standards also.
Currently our standard is "literally fucking doing the bare minimum possible" and i honestly just cant fucking take this shit seriously anymore.
FPP is the problem with the US. And electoral colleges. And Gerrymandering the vote. Electoral oversight needs to be non-partisan. So much needs to change
Liberals not voting is the problem with the US. We sure as fuck aren't getting national ranked choice voting out of the party of fascism. We aren't getting any Democrat favored legislation without a clear majority. Not a 'well the VP can be the tiebreaker in the senate if the 2 right leaning Democrats agree to it' majority. Not even a 'well as long as Joe Lieberman goes along we can break the filibuster' majority is good enough.
Republicans need to be made utterly unelectable before a left leaning party can be viable.
i don't disagree but please tell me if you think joe biden is going to magically create ranked choice voting. WE have to make this a ballot problem, WE need to incentivize these fucks to care.
Voting in primaries is important, but without fail, what happens every time, is that we go "oh shit this one is going to be bad" and then everyone tries to make everyone vote (which never works btw) and then we either lose, and we go "ok time to dissociate for 4 years" and or "well shit, better luck next time, hopefully i don't die." and then if we win we all kinda just sit there decompressing from the last one.
They are not mutually exclusive. You can advocate for reform to the voting system, which is a massive undertaking which will take quite a long time and a lot of effort and may or may not succeed, while still showing up one day and taking one action which (aggregated together with millions of other people doing the same) may save us from impending fascism.
If you think that not voting will "incentivize" the institution of ranked choice voting you are living in a pure fantasy world. In this specific election though it will incentivize the creation of a fascist dictatorship. If you thought FPTP voting was bad wait until "the state legislature overrules everyone's votes" past the post.
They are not mutually exclusive. You can advocate for reform to the voting system, which is a massive undertaking which will take quite a long time and a lot of effort and may or may not succeed, while still showing up one day and taking one action which (aggregated together with millions of other people doing the same) may save us from impending fascism.
i get it, but like, unless we do both of them simultaneously, we're just going to end up subjecting ourselves to what is currently happening, but in increasingly more polarized increments. We need to start a bipartisan voting reform, and we need to vote. Voting right now will fix short term fascism. But only for the period of about 4 years, then we have no immediate guarantee anymore.
4 years is a very short period of time.
If you think that not voting will “incentivize” the institution of ranked choice voting you are living in a pure fantasy world. In this specific election though it will incentivize the creation of a fascist dictatorship. If you thought FPTP voting was bad wait until “the state legislature overrules everyone’s votes” past the post.
That's not what i said. You are literally pulling this out of your ass. I literally said, we need to make this a ballot problem, we need to give the people that we are collectively putting in power, a reason to care about this shit. It's happened with abortion, it can happen again with voting. If we demand a candidate who supports voting reform, we will get a candidate who supports voting reform.
This kind of reactionary rhetoric (oh the irony) is the problem that i currently have with democrats. We're content to prevent fascism from immediately happening, but then apparently not in improving the situation any further, apart from "man they should really prevent this trump guy from running again, would be a shame if fascism were to happen"
We need to start a bipartisan voting reform, and we need to vote. Voting right now will fix short term fascism. But only for the period of about 4 years, then we have no immediate guarantee anymore.
Yeah, 100% agreed. How do I advocate for voting reform? The big thing I'm coming to talking about all this stuff is, I should be doing something besides just bullshitting about it on the internet.
That's not what i said.
Sounds like I misinterpreted "WE have to make this a ballot problem, WE need to incentivize these fucks to care." -- all good. It kinda sounds to me like we're saying the same thing (and I would add reforming a bunch of things besides the voting system, too). How can I help to make that happen?
Yeah, 100% agreed. How do I advocate for voting reform? The big thing I’m coming to talking about all this stuff is, I should be doing something besides just bullshitting about it on the internet.
ultimately, even just talking about it like i did is going to do something productive. Talk about it to friends and family, bring it up to local politicians. If you have any new candidates running, or incumbents struggling, perhaps give em a call as well. Realistically as long as you can convince people that the current system doesn't work, and that something better is needed, regardless of how partisan. People are tired of the same shit, give them something new and they'll vote for it, that's literally how trump won (i mean he also spent shit tons of money on it as well but whatever)
Unfortunately, i'm not super involved myself, aside from mostly yelling at people on the internet, (ironic i know) realistically, i think with something as simple as this, if enough people have a problem with it, it's just going to change. It's such a simple issue, and such a big problem. Ironically, the current voting system is part of the problem, we as constituents, don't have a whole lot of say over what goes on government side, we should probably have a hell of a lot more influence. I.E. stop electing people with values aligned to you, and start pushing issues onto the voting public, actually give them a reason to vote.
Sounds like I misinterpreted “WE have to make this a ballot problem, WE need to incentivize these fucks to care.” – all good. It kinda sounds to me like we’re saying the same thing (and I would add reforming a bunch of things besides the voting system, too). How can I help to make that happen?
pretty much yeah, i'm mostly focused on the more impactful things first and foremost, realistically if we can push new voting legislature through, we can push more productive laws and legislation through afterwards. Though i wouldn't be complaining about doing more at once i suppose, scope can make or break things like this unfortunately. I think at the end of the day, stuff like this is more about making an individual feel like they have an impact, or feeling like they're involved more than anything. It's why the government keeps trying to take that shit away. It makes us defeated and unmotivated.
Hell, a fun fact about this kind of a thing. A kid wrote a paper in college about the 27th amendment, and the fact that it could technically still get ratified. Got a shit grade on it, and then decided that it would be funny to get it ratified, and so he did. It was ratified after sitting dormant for 200 years. If that kid can get that amendment ratified, there is a pretty damn good chance we can get better voting systems for ourselves. Or we could pull a vermin supreme, put a boot on our head and start shitposting. That's another option.
My favorite way to make conservatives start questioning the electoral college is asking them which state had the most votes for Trump.
It was California, right?
Yep. Makes usually makes them have a high amount of cognitive dissonance. “But…but it’s full of nothing but liberal commies and…their votes mean nothing! My people!”
At the same time, I believe California is the state where your vote matters the least as things have not kept up proportionally.
So the most votes for Trump being degraded the most.
(Edit: this might be more true in the house than presidential EC though)
yeah, there's a lot between us and voting, and given the current state of technology, it doesn't exactly need to exist.
Maine and Alaska have ranked choice (also called instant runoff) now. Nevada is on track to also go this way. Change is slow, but it has started.
thats cool. Can't wait till it makes it way to the rest of the states, and federal government, at this rate it definitely won't take a half century.