So is the US slipping into Civil War?
So is the US slipping into Civil War?
People keep talking about "Federalizing the National Guard" and now you've got other States pledging their NG to Texas in defiance of the Supreme Court (see image).
So is this what CW2 looks like?
P.S. I'm a Brit
You're viewing a single thread.
Eh. Something clearly needs to be done, and the concerns arenât being addressed (and havenât been for awhile). Congress and the senate havenât done anything aside from attempt to impeach hunter Biden (from who knows what) or show off his dick.
Doubtful itâs any kind of civil war, but Texas (and other states) is being hit hard by the number of immigrants, and if the federal government canât (or wonât?) do anything to curb it, makes sense that they will do something on their own.
but Texas (and other states) is being hit hard by the number of immigrants, and if the federal government canât (or wonât?) do anything to curb it, makes sense that they will do something on their own.
That's the thing though, they aren't. Things aren't worse than they were, this is a manufactured crisis because Republicans need some kind of tangible policy to lie about to their voters for the upcoming election. Just like the immigrant caravan which disappeared as suddenly as it appeared (as in it never existed) the previous election.
I don't think this is an accurate view of the current border situation, but it's a view that one might have consuming media from a different kind of media bubble than the Fox News kind.
There really is a situation with migrants who cross the river illegally and immediately turn themselves in and claim asylum. This isn't a new situation, but the numbers have gotten worse over the last year.
The migrant caravans, plural, really did and do exist. What tends to happen is they gather into thousands strong mass marches in and around Tapachula, after crossing from Guatemala to Mexico. So these big marches start towards the US in southern Mexico, but they tend to break up and thin out over the 1800 mile journey to Texas.
If anyone could organize a mass foot march over the whole distance, that would be an extremely impressive feat of logistics. But that hasn't happened yet.
Conclusions: this border situation is not completely made up. Many right wing conspiracies going around have some kind of kernel of truth to then.
And some mainstream media outlets (I have this experience with NPR in particular) have started to seemingly impose total blackouts on not just the conspiracy ideas, but also on the little nuggets of true news that get them started.
Just like in Europe, to say there is no problem with migration is false, but to present it as an existential problem for the country or even the state is ridiculous. Starting a civil war over 'nuggets' of truth seems pretty dang evil.
Yup! Thank you. Itâs not as big as itâs being made out to be (obviously people trying to get political points), but itâs still an issue that does need to be addressed, and it is disproportionately effecting some more than others. No one is going to start at civil war over something like this.
Yeah, no. This is still an entirely manufactured crisis. Even if what you're claiming is really happening, it's still being framed as a problem, which it's not.
Our colonialist pearl-clutching over the southern border has got to stop. It's fucked up that you're perpetuating this brand of fascism.
Can you share the numbers you're referencing? What were the numbers like before they got worse, what are they like now?
I appreciate hearing a differing view from my own here, genuinely.
I listen to NPR frequently and I have heard many segments about the border and especially asylum seekers.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/12/1212058889/migrants-u-s-southern-border-historic-numbers-why
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/22/1221006083/immigration-border-election-presidential
I see this a lot, "the liberal media doesn't want you to know!" or "why isn't anyone talking about this!" meanwhile everyone including the lefty sources are indeed talking about it.
The problem is, only one party wants to do anything to actually ease the crisis. Republicans are a half step away from suggesting land mines at the border because trying to escape to the land of the free for a better life is illegal, and that apparently should mean death for you.
Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states
The federal government is doing things. The lying Anus governor of Texas is pretending they aren't because it gets him good boy points with his mob.
I never understood why Republicans hate immigrants. Low educated labor that is highly religious. And if crimes are committed, these people can fuel the incarceration complex America has as well.
It's red meat for the base. The corporate overlords who fund the republican party love the cheap labor they can exploit, and they love it even more because the republican party 'otherizing' the illegal immigrants gets them all sorts of leverage they can use against said labor, since the populace won't care what happens to them.
These are all reasons why they actually enjoy immigration. As a hot-button topic, this has paid out endlessly and will continue to because there's no way immigration will be solved peacefully. So they get the fearmongering and political outrage out of it, in addition to cheap labor, and bogeymen to pin rape/violence on as well. They're the perfect target for them to hate, and they love to hate. Nothing gets an old Republican fired up like illegal Mexicans coming here with their guns and drugs and taking our jobs and sending all the money back home and raping our daughters ("well not my daughter, but y'know" đ¤ ) and bringing caravans more of em in their wake
Republican voters hate immigrants. It's a target the GOP can point at while knowing the flow of cheap labor will continue from increasing desperation all while they "heroically fight at the border".
Same. Tons of hard working people that do a lot behind the scenes. But South Park probably got it right with âthey took errr jerbs!â Jobs they wouldnât do themselves anyway.