Ron DeSantis agrees to debate Gavin Newsom on Fox News
Ron DeSantis agrees to debate Gavin Newsom on Fox News
The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterpart to engage. On Wednesday, he got it.
The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterpart to engage. On Wednesday, he got it.
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I don't know too much about Newsom, he has some pretty far left views I'm not a fan of, but also has done some things notably good.
I'm pretty excited for this, I lean conservative, so I want to see DeSantis debate against someone fairly competent, and I'd like to see more of Newsom, as he's being talked about being a potential presidential runner in 2028.
Overall, I really want to see more governors come together and debate problems and solutions in their states, that's the beautiful thing about America. We have 50 states that can tackle issues differently as their population sees fit, the point is to try out solutions and hopefully use other states policies to improve your state or see that it doesn't work.
Far left? Are you fucking high?
And what solutions has DeSantis come up with that are good? Banning books? Teaching kids slavery had its good points?
Far left? Are you fucking high?
No, not yet.
Despite your hostility, I'll entertain you. You know, a civil person, like someone else that responded to me, would have asked why I thought he was far left.
And what solutions has DeSantis come up with that are good?
I liked his covid policy, and many people did too. Keep schools open, protect the vulnerable. The economy kept going, the state grew and his popularity blew up. Even far left folks like AOC wanted to visit to get away from her NY restrictions. He's been good for the Florida natural environment as well as economy.
Banning books?
I think we may have different views on this, schools are locally funded by tax payers. Tax payers should get a say in what books they pay for in schools. If parents think 'gender queer' is too perverted for 3rd graders, I think it's the parents right to have a voice and say in that.
Teaching kids slavery had its good points?
I actually read the portion the media is blowing up about. It's in a ~200 page text book that has one sentence saying that some slaves picked up skills that helped their lives post slavery. It's really not that big of a deal, is truthful and only a problem for people wanting a headline.
As a civil human being I simply believe that conservatives like you do not belong in civil society. It would be beneficial to take modest steps to make the average conservative incapable of purchasing property, being in public without a well informed and civil chaperone, and banned from serving in the armed forces. Such a proposal is in line with rules conservative countries take towards 50% of their population, and thus it is only fair that we adopt mirror policies.
See how fucking little civility matters when fundamental rights are being discussed? Get your head out of your ass and recognize that anger is justified against defenders of fascism like you. You pathetic little weasels probably only supported the 1960s civil rights movement because the white people looked and acted more thuggish than the black activists. Or maybe that still didn't even sway you.
DeSantis actively harassed scientists with police when they tried to report accurate numbers after he withdrew from the national reporting system. Meanwhile, what's the worst policy that Newsom instituted long term? Making people wear masks? I swear, blind fools like you wouldn't recognize authoritarianism if it knocked down your front door. You think economic freedom matters when you live under an oppressive state?
Books should not be banned in a country that supposedly values freedom of speech, period. Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, any fucking book should be allowed in libraries if it has the space for it. Hell, if I lived in Florida I'd push to have the Bible banned with your logic. It promotes and is sponsored by organizations that have an actual history of grooming and abuse. That's not even considering the violent and sometimes lewd content in it.
Even that small quote, if that's all there is which is doubtful, misrepresents the nature of why those skills were given. They were given to milk value out of human beings like cattle. It's like saying cows are fed nutritious foods that help them grow. Yes it's technically true, but saying that by itself ignores the reason that food is given. It focuses on a shiny reflection on a picture of a pile of poop.
DeSantis is a fascist supported by Nazis, who hires Nazis. Defending such a piece of shit is pathetic and disgusting. I know you think you're a sensible conservative, but the standard conservative would rather see liberal democracy destroyed than accept that an asshole like Trump could lose an election fair and square. If you choose to side with Republicans at this point, you're a fascist buddy, congrats.
As a civil human being I simply believe that conservatives like you do not belong in civil society
It's funny that you're probably the first to call people fascists, but this is an objectively fascist view. People who aren't in your political party don't belong in civil society? Hahaha.
conservative incapable of purchasing property
Fascist.
being in public without a well informed and civil chaperone
Fascist
banned from serving in the armed forces
Because we don't share the same views as you? That's fascist.
Such a proposal is in line with rules conservative countries take towards 50% of their population, and thus it is only fair that we adopt mirror policies.
Which countries are you talking about?
You're clearly incapable of understanding a satirical joke to prove a point. I don't want any one of those fucking things for anyone, yet that's the sort of shit conservatives are pushing for. They're trying to make it illegal to present as any gender other than the one you were assigned at birth in public, effectively banning trans people from public life.
The other points were things that the most extreme in the American right argue for, and policies already enacted against women in conservative theocracies today. Some of these counties are American allies, like Saudi Arabia, and some are enemies like Iran. As much as you might try to deny it, there is serious overlap between Christian nationalists, and ISIS. Those fascist theocracies are the logical conclusion of the modern American right.
The whole point of that paragraph was to highlight how hard it is to be civil with someone threatening your fundamental rights. I wanted to put you in the shoes of the people your evil ideology oppresses. It shows a fundamental lack of respect to even hold and express those extreme views that DeSantis enacts policy on, so of course I have no reason to show you any respect. It doesn't matter how pretty the box is; what matters is what's inside it.
You’re clearly incapable of understanding a satirical joke to prove a point
So you're joking and you think conservatives should be allowed to participate in our society? So your fascist views are in jest?
Conservatives should be legally allowed to participate in society, yes. Of course what I said was in jest. Just because they are legally protected by the law, doesn't mean other people can't use their own freedom of speech and association to call out and disassociate from awful ideas and people. Protection under the law doesn't mean anyone needs to put up with you.
However, not all restrictions are automatically fascist. In fact, even liberal democracies would be wise to not legally tolerate people who were willing to overthrow the system. Much like tolerance, liberty is a social contract, and those who want to take away the liberty of others should not have their own liberty protected.
Conservatives should be legally allowed to participate in society, yes.
I'm glad I could help your views progress!
Just because they are legally protected by the law,
Yeah, just as much as...literally every other individual in the country.
doesn’t mean other people can’t use their own freedom of speech and association to call out and disassociate from awful ideas and people.
Agreed, however hating someone because they have different views than you and trying to exclude them because of different beliefs says more about you than them.
However, not all restrictions are automatically fascist. In fact, even liberal democracies would be wise to not legally tolerate people who were willing to overthrow the system.
So you think we should be able to arrest communists, and those wanting to eat the rich?
liberty is a social contract
I disagree, I don't have liberty because other people have a social contract with me, I have liberty because I'm a human being. It's a natural human right. I don't have it because you agree that I have it.
That's the issue isn't it? For much of American history, that has been how anti-communists have operated. Unfortunately, liberalism is a fundamentally contradictory system, with economic liberty and personal liberty being two different values. They oppose eachother, and anti-communists ultimately trampled all over people's personal liberty to reinforce capital interests. As long as liberalism exists, there will always be that dialectic. It's why liberalism is unstable and will always try to evolve into a capitalism supporting authoritarian system, or a socialist system. So if one favors liberalism, they ultimately have to choose which parts of liberalism they favor.
The reason we believe we have natural human rights is because it creates the best possible world for us to live in. Sadly, such an idea is a construct, a useful one that should be upheld for mutual benefit, but a construct none the less. The world is not naturally fair and operates based of of might and violence. This is because people are machines, for nothing else could exist in a self consistent logical universe. This doesn't make you less deserving of rights, it just means you need to fight to keep them because they aren't guaranteed.
I gave you an upvote because unlike most of your compatriots you seem to be open to new ideas, and evaluating positions on their merits based on your comment. I don't see where anything you said was out of pocket really, even if I disagree with your conservative leaning ideology.
I'm not a fan of the instant downvote when someone outs themselves as a conservative as contentious or unjustifiable as that position may seem here on Lemmy.
I would certainly not agree with your position that Newsom is far left politically, as he has pretty much shown himself to be a boilerplate Corporate Democrat and Nancy Pelosi Acolyte. Which, I am not really a fan of, but I do think he has balls.
I appreciate the upvote, unfortunately the way she goes on social media, if I saw I'm conservative at all, instant downvote.
As I mentioned I don't know too much about him, but do know some of his notably left positions:
'assault' weapon bans for some citizens (I'm against exceptions in these cases, my state just passed an AWB, but current and former law enforcement are exempt, that's just saying that this population, that has a high rate of DV, have more rights than the other citizens)
Him being proud of being a sanctuary state/have sanctuary cities. The left wants more federal government power, but if it's inconvienent for them, will not enforce laws that the nation has passed. They're also the ones that get pissed if a republican state doesn't want a federal law enacted.
Fighting against private businesses (walgreens) for making decisions that the governor doesn't like. If someone is pissed at how DeSantis has handled disney, they should be more pissed at Newsom's handling of Walgreens.
i’ve never seen far left in american government so i’m curious. can you name say, two of newsom’s veiws that seem “far left” to you?
Banning arbitrary assault weapons for some citizens and not others.
Reparations.
ok. i’m unclear what that first one even means but i get what the second one means.
Meaning they're trying to ban tools from us, but can't define what tools. They also try to ban it solely for some people, and not others, such as government agents.
Overall, I really want to see more governors come together and debate problems and solutions in their states
If this is important to you, why do you affiliate with the Gaslight Obstruct Project party? Or when you say "debate" do you mean poo fling?
If this is important to you, why do you affiliate with the Gaslight Obstruct Project party?
- I don't affiliate with the GOP
- How is that relevant towards wanted to see the two parties governors, that have conflicting policies, argue for theirs and against the others policies?
Or when you say “debate” do you mean poo fling?
No, I mean debate.