Trump administration working on plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya
Trump administration working on plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya
Details are murky and no final agreement has been reached, but the plan is under serious enough consideration that the administration has discussed it with Libyan leadership.
In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.
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As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.
Let's be real, the Biden administration didn't achieve one single thing to slow things down. While they wagged a finger with one hand, they handed over billions of dollars of bombs with the other. They arranged peace talks that Israel super super promised they'd finally show up to this time and then didn't for the seventh consecutive time in a row, and the Biden administration went "okay" and handed them more bombs. Maybe Trump is objectively worse, but it's hard to imagine that a Harris presidency would be meaningfully better in this particular regard based on the actions, not the words, of the Biden administration.
Edit: to be clear, I voted for Harris, because I still wanted to reduce harm, but I really was expecting the older, more powerful, more pro-genocide voices in the party to be steering the wheel here, not Harris.
Maybe Trump is objectively worse
Maybe hurricanes are windy.
To me, this is an unscientific position. What actions on Gaza has the Trump regime taken that are demonstrably worse than what the Biden administration allowed? Are you forming your judgements based on faith or actual critical thought and observation?
Yes, Trump says a lot of things that are worse than those Biden said. But politicians lie all the time. Biden lied about trying to rein in Israel, and Trump so far has blustered a whole lot about mass atrocities he would like to do. But he hasn't actually done those.
Again, forget the rhetoric. Trump is a dancing rage clown and you're getting distracted by by the clown.
What has Trump done, MATERIALLY, in Gaza, that is any worse than what Biden did? Again, not rhetoric, actual real-world actions.
I am one hundred percent convinced that you have zero interest in this, other than to be an agent of chaos.
If you cared at all in any capacity, you'd be intensely aware that Jared Kurschner has spoken about sales of beachfront Lebensraum.
I suspect that Donald Trump's son in law discussing real estate sales of Palestine shows up nowhere in your online outrage.
I one hundred percent expect that you will pivot back to Democrats Bad.
If the US ever gets to have another presidential election, the account you are using here will never scrutinize what the Trump administration has done, but you will do your utmost to say Both Parties Same.
What actions on Gaza has the Trump regime taken that are demonstrably worse than what the Biden administration allowed?
I often see this question asked, and I wonder if those asking have been asleep the past few months?
Under Biden:
- Israel was still negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire and release of hostages. A ceasefire deal was even reached.
- Israel limited the amount of occupation zones at the request of the Biden administration.
- Mass deportations weren't being planned (at least not openly, and not by the US).
- Israel reduced but still allowed some foreign aid.
Under Trump:
- Israel broke the ceasefire and resumed hostilities with even greater military force.
- Is creating very large occupation zones and "kill zones" where Palestinians are forced to leave.
- Is openly planning mass deportations and ethnic cleansing, in collaboration with the US.
- Israel has blocked foreign aid completely.
As a result people now face mass starvation and the prospect of being fully ethnically cleansed.
I understand Biden was extremely disappointing. I thought he was too. But we shouldn't kid ourselves that he was in any way equally bad as Trump has been. And given what Trump and Israel have been saying, the worst is likely to come.
Israel was still negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire and release of hostages. A ceasefire deal was even reached.
As I recall, Israel almost always said they would go to these, and then didn't, without even telling the Biden administration they were going to miss it. They'd just dead ass no show and leave the Biden team twisting in the wind. Then team Biden would say "well, okay, I guess we have no choice but to give them more bombs."
Israel reduced but still allowed some foreign aid.
My dude, the way I remember it, we had to build a float dock because Israel wouldn't allow any aid to come in by ground, and for the little bit they did, they murdered the people who tried to get it. Then, the float dock broke up, and we all just kind of shrugged.
Ehh. Is there a meaningful difference between "we'll help you do genocide and pretend to feel bad about it" and "we'll help you do genocide and build a casino on top of the bodies"? One feels worse, for sure, but the functional distinction is marginal.
Although not voting was the wrong move, It's important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.
The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.
The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.
Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.
It's our fault and fuck y'all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.
Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.
If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.
Over it.
Edit: I'm not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.
You're just spoiled Americunts who think you're superheroes for doing nothing
What evidence do you have for your claim that things are worse in Gaza under Trump than they were under the Biden/Kamala path?
Note, rhetoric is not evidence. Trump lies all the time. Biden lies all the time. Trump says he would like the US to ethnically cleanse Gaza, but he's taken no actual steps towards that end. And Biden also tried to negotiate resettlement of the Gazans to other countries.
All I'm seeing here are vibe. You see someone who is objectively a bad human being, and you decide that they must be the worst possible person on Earth for every conceivable category. Trump can be far worse domestically than Biden while still being equivalent to him in terms of Palestine.
So again, don't quote me rhetoric. I don't care about Trump's verbal diarrhea. What actual material things can you point to that are different from what Biden was allowing without any resistance? Because I think you're mostly just going on vibes.
You're asking me to compare Biden and Trump.
Was Biden or Kamala talking about how great it would be to have a resort on the beach there, oh wait. That's rhetoric, and in no way is that a reflection of their actions or intentions.
Where y'all at now, anyway? Haven't seen any of you protesting lately. Don't you still give a shit, or has the talking point you used to stay at home done it's job?
I don't owe you a god damn thing.
There's absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.
Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.
When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.
Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That's the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of "not being Trump".
Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.
I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y'all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn't give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit
You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don't care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don't stink
My trans son says "fuck you".
You are a wannabe. You don't give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you'd do everything you could to save lives.
But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.
You're all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.
She was lying, fucking duh
I voted for Harris and I blame the democrats. They knew the stakes, they know the populist moment we're in, and they decided that their best strategy was to take all the excitement and buzz of the new Kamala candidacy and say "we're not going to really change anything; if things suck for you, no they don't, actually, you're just stupid lol; anyway, look, here's Katy Perry and Barack Obama lecturing down to a bunch of black men." The DNC twisted Kamala's arm to make sure she didn't insult Biden by saying she'd do anything different, because protecting the feefees of long standing and well regarded party members is more important than winning or getting shot done. The DNC decided to stack Kamala's campaign with the same staff that lost the HRC campaign. Nobody made them decide that celebrity guest appearances were more important than proposing actually good changes to get out the vote, but here we are.
You're rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that's what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don't get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you're not morally superior for voting for Harris.
Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.
Yes I do. And yes I am.
You said "I don't care what the trolley does because this test isn't moral"
The rest of us actually made a choice.
Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don't fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.
You're children.
Quit using your trans son as an excuse, you supported a pro-genocide party because you were willing to trade the lives of innocent palestinians to secure your own security and comfort.
Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.
I'm sorry you don't have a sense of nuance in your life. Must be easy having a black and white existence.
Get fucked, kid.
Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.
When people stop saying you're a fool for being a "single issue voter" against genocide and that Harris had to support genocide to win, I will.
There's no nuance to be had, you're comfortable trading the lives of countless palestinians for your own comfort and safety, it's actually just that simple. You deserve Trump and worse.
"I can't be pro-genocide, I have a kid I only care about when it wins me a victory on the internet aginast people with consistent morals."
I'm trans. I voted for Kamala, but I have zero hate on anyone who didn't due to Gaza.
The Democrat's problem isn't just Gaza. It's what the enabling of a genocide signals and means. If you will enable a literal ethnic cleansing, what won't you do? You've literally already elevated things to full-on Hitlerian levels. If you're willing to do that for political power, there is nothing you won't do.
And as we've seen recently, Democrats have frequently thrown trans people under the bus. Even Kamala didn't even try to refute the endless barrage of anti-trans ads thrown by the Republicans.
When asked if she supported trans care for inmates, do you know what she said? She said, "we'll follow the law." She was defending her past actions as California attorney general to provide trans prisoners gender-affirming healthcare. But when given the perfect opportunity to stand up for trans people everywhere, she said that she only did it because it's what the law required of her.
Someone who actually gave a shit about trans lives would never say something like that. Instead they would say, "of fucking course prisoners get trans healthcare. Trans healthcare is medically-necessary care. It saves lives. To deny someone that care or to force them to detransition is literal torture. We sentence people to prison. We don't sentence them to torture. We give inmates gender-affirming healthcare because to do otherwise is cruel and unusual punishment."
That's how you actually answer that question if you have an ounce of empathy in your soul for trans people or any understanding of the issue at all. If you make trans care some frivolous thing that can be denied to prisoners, then all trans identities are frivolous and undeserving of legal recognition or respect in any context.
And there are far worse Democrats than Kamala. Plenty of centrist Dems are willing to throw trans people under the bus if they can earn cheap political points. It turns out that if you're willing to support a literal genocide, then persecuting a small minority group isn't that big an ask. Once you've committed murder, shoplifting isn't something you think twice about.
Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.
Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.
They already realize it and don't care.
With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going "shhh" while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.
Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.
Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck "my job is to keep the left pro-genocide" Schumer.
As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
It's the duty of every human being in the world not to support criminal rulers with blood on their hands and to call them out. Instead of accusing people who didn't voted for murderers you should take your time to inform yourself and realize that the US government and many other government around the globe have been assisting and supporting israel government for decades
Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don't kid yourself.
Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don't kid yourself.
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades. Punishing democrats enabled the current administration.
Trump is an accelerant. He is currently helping BiBi kill Palestinians at a rate and scale that will bring him closer to his goals, faster than the world finally turns on him.
The Now is consequences of poor voting decisions.
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades.
So maybe harris shouldn't have hitched her wagon to that particular horse.
Thank God we didn't let that happen...
Mussolini or Hitler. Should I pick the least worse?
... Yes, yes you absolutely should.
There is literally no comparison there, you absolute grapefruit, Hitler killed something like 30 million people all told, mussolini killed maybe thousands max.
"haha, should I shoot myself in the leg, or in the head, hurr durr!"
Fucking children.
LOL. The end cracked me up
Yep either party will allow Israel to kill children which is a no-brainer. US needs a third or fourth party.
Or tenth?
Or have everyone who isn't republican vote for themselves to split the vote further?
Honestly at that point just have them vote GOP, it has the same effect.
Pick the party that Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn't be willing to give a solid gold pager as a gift/public relations gesture.
Considering they gave a silver pager to fetterman, that's not the win you seem to think it is.
Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!