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I once insinuated that I hated the smell of vapes and people downvoted me, saying "noooo but blueberry muffin flavour actually smells so goooood"
Yeah okay buddy, I think you're one of the ones I'd find wandering the streets vaping in front of everyone
Edit: to the people currently downvoting me, you guys do know vaping can also give you cancer and increases your risk of respiratory disease, right? And by vaping in front of other people you're forcing that risk on to them, right? Grow a little empathy
This is true, but it's so much better than walking through cig smoke, or smelling that shit in someone's car, or the nightmare of walking into someone's house that has tar all over the walls and furniture because they smoke in the house.
I'll take mass replacement of cigs with vape any day.
It's better poison, but it's still poison -A former vaper...vapist?
I would go with vaper. That other one sounds too much like that guy Brock Turner..
There are people that are addicted to a drug the government will not regulate because they are taxing the shit out of the addicted. Grow a little empathy.
Especially for the vapers because they allready diminish the harm to them and others. The exoust fumes of the car beside you are many more times dangerous than the passive vape you could inhale.
I'm specifically calling out people who downvoted me for saying I don't like the smell of vapes
I'm honestly with you, I think cigarette and vape sales should be criminalised, smokers are being taken advantage of both by the government and the smoko sellers
ah yes let's do a prohibition 2.0 because why not. especially when the fascists are in power
This might be hard to believe, but I'm one of the dozens of people who don't live in the US
regardless of where you're from, criminalizing drug use leads to people dying. it's been a fucking disaster in any country it's been implemented
Where did I ever say I wanted to criminalise drug use?
where are people gonna buy cigs if you ban them? the black market. who's gonna go to prison over it? marginalized people. this is already reality in authoritarian countries
I said the sale of these items. Not the buying of. Very different prospects you're assuming I'm lumping into one here
Let's give the government more control of our bodies. Great idea!
Me, trying to figure out how trying to stop people taking a highly addictive drug that meets none of our needs is control over our body:
Prohibition is a terrible idea.
i really don't care what you put in your body of your own volition, whether legal or not. go for it, i'm not in a place to look down on you. but just don't make me breathe in your vape cloud. I smoke and I will only smoke in private or amongst people who smoke with me, or who have given me an explicit thumbs up to smoke near them. to do otherwise would be douchy.
I was with you until you tried to lecture people on what's bad for them or not. Yes people know. Lots of things are bad for you, they are adults.
Did you know science has proven that being on social media is bad for you?
There is no direct evidence vaping causes cancer.
The main components of vape juice are polyene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Both of which are completely benign and added into many every day products. And before vaping nicotine was a thing, it has been used as a safe drug delivery method for decades.
To say there's no direct evidence is disingenuous. Yes, there are no peer reviewed articles that directly correlate vaping and cancer chance, but guess what there also isn't? Studies that say they're safe
The reason for this is simple: there's about a 14 year delay between any smoking changes and lung cancer presenting itself. Extrapolate that to three trials, and you're looking at minimum 50 years before it can hit shelves
What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
Not true at all. Vapes don't contain any known carcinogens.
According to cancer.org.au
For example, propylene glycol and glycerine found in e-cigarettes when overheated can produce dangerous levels of the carcinogens formaldehyde and acetaldehyde.
And it was found the study ran the batteries in an unsafe manner, as in no one would use their vape like that because they had to go around the safeties.
This is a blanket statement that doesn't really mean anything
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It is highly unlikely one study would do this (purposefully put their patients in danger)
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It is even more unlikely that this study would continue without being retracted
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It is unfathomably unlikely that all other studies on the matter would do the same thing and agree on the results
I guess the biggest problem here is that I never mentioned a specific study, and neither did you.
If you want a good report on the matter, check out: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Health and Medicine Division; Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice; Committee on the Review of the Health Effects of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems; Eaton DL, Kwan LY, Stratton K, editors. Public Health Consequences of E-Cigarettes. Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2018 Jan 23. 5, Toxicology of E-Cigarette Constituents. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507184/
An interesting exert from it is the following:
Compounds not listed on labels also have been identified in e-liquids. Several hazardous compounds have been found in liquids and in the heated aerosol produced by e-cigarettes, including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, and acrolein, which are known carcinogenic toxicants.
Edit: ah yes, the classic "I can't think of any way to rebuke what they said so I'm just going to downvote them because I can't add anything meaningful to the discussion, but I'm still convinced I'm right"
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