The New Video of Federal Agents Ambushing a Student and Disappearing With Her Should Chill You to Your Core
The New Video of Federal Agents Ambushing a Student and Disappearing With Her Should Chill You to Your Core
It shows, clearly, the explicit and proud policy of the Trump administration.
One of the men goes for her phone. The other grabs at her hands. Ozturk screams. Shock and fear ripple through her voice. Two masked women join them, tugging at her backpack, peeling the straps from her shoulders. “I’m going somewhere, I need to call someone,” she pleads. “We’re the police. Relax,” one of the men says in response.
They surround her. Then, one by one, they pull their neck gaiters up to cover their faces. “You don’t look like police,” a voice off screen says. “Why are you hiding your faces?” The questions continue, but the figures don’t respond. Instead, they cuff Ozturk, cross the street, and put her in an unmarked SUV. She is gone.
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Legally speaking if some one interfered or resisted wouldn't they be justified? No clear sign they are the law and they refuse to identify themselves
A legal defense can easily be mounted. If they did not identify themselves as police officers, or had any proof of being police, you are clear to use lethal force. The victim had all right to believe that they are a victim of first degree kidnapping, a crime with a punishment that is 2nd only to 1st degree murder in US law.
Their conduct is not one you would expect of law enforcement. So I will say it. Shoot. Shoot to kill.
Is that an official legal stance? I love it, but I've also seen undercover cops do the same stuff on the internet and with laws like Qualified Immunity I reckon that there are already laws in place to support these "just" actions
They said they are police and took out badges.
I can very easily buy a fake badge, flash it at you, and say I'm police.
This is why uniforms and agency-labeled vehicles (with id numbers!) exist. The fact that we still do not know the names of these officers should be enough evidence to prove that these could've not been officers at all.
I mean at a certain point legality doesn't matter if they black bag you and deport you before you can even have a trial. Which clearly seems to be their goal by the fact that they move the detainees away from where they apprehend them to avoid the court there being able to have jurisdiction. As well as with the large numbers of people who were put on planes without any kind of trial or process where they can prove they're there legally. With this becoming the norm at a certain point your only option really is to fight back and resist arrest or be deported without due process.
De-arrests are a thing, they do and have worked against ICE kidnap attempts. But you need a critical mass of people to do it, if you go alone they'll just arrest you too or worse, shoot you.
I feel like I'd rather take them shooting me at that point, especially if I can get at least one of them to choke on blood right alongside me.
Legally speaking if some one interfered or resisted wouldn’t they be justified?
Depends, some states protect interfering and resisting to a reasonable degree others don't. Got to check state laws to be on the safe side.
Not a lawyer, btw.
If they're cops you'll most likely get shot yourself doing that. Which may be a better outcome than getting thrown in one of these black sites. We don't have a really good idea of what happens in them.
Not a law expert, the article says
To be perfectly clear, Ozturk is not accused of breaking the law. The Department of Homeland Security hasn’t bothered to explain its reasoning
So maybe is still the patriot act effect?