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It’s a lame joke but I don’t see why it should be banned
Because it seems like a racist charicature, no?
No it doesn't.
We should be allowed to mock our leaders, especially the dictators
Of course I absolutely agree, that doesn't mean forums should allow racist charicatures, however.
Why on earth would you assume i'm against that?
It's not Racist.
You're not processing reality
Is calling a chinese person yellow racist?
No. The Chinese people were specifically comparing Xi Jinping to Winnie The Pooh before the term was banned.
So? does it seem like one?
When you're a moderator on a forum, do you investigate this and check everyones intent, or do you go, someone posted a yellow bear to represent a chinese person and that seems racist to me?
No. It does not. This meme is well known and you're either playing dumb or were living under a rock.
Blackface is well known, guess it isn't racist.
You can say it's racist over and over, but that doesn't make is true.
If only there was a way to actually see what the Winnie the Pooh thing is even referencing... Oh well, guess you'll just have to keep lying instead.
If only there was a way to actually see what the Winnie the Pooh thing is even referencing… Oh well, guess you’ll just have to keep lying instead.
the joke is clearly that winnie the pooh is yellow and so is xi, haha very funny.
obviously racist.
if winnie the pooh wasn't yellow I wouldn't care about this at all.
The joke is that the dude straight up looks like Winnie the Pooh. As in his face and body shape.
The color of the cartoon bear was never even something that popped into my mind, because I'm not a fucking racist and I don't see "yellow" to mean Asian.
I think it says a lot about you when you turn it into that...
Yeah, what it says about me is that i've seen enough racism against asians to recognize it and be against it.
What does it say about you that you don't even recognize it, or care to fight against it?
Yeah, sorry. Not going to work on me.
By the way, Winnie the Pooh isn't even yellow, he's light brown. You racist piece of shit.
Oh in that case I guess I'm colorblind!
Lol fuck off
Stop making things up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
??? what did i make up?
he's a yellow bear being paired with tigger, who was supposed to be obama.
Does that really not strike you as racist at all?
That article didn't even say one word about my point.
Han people aren’t being racist against themselves. You making it up if anything is more racist. As if Chinese people can’t make a meme.
Do you believe it's impossible for someone of a race to be or do something racist against themselves?
Honestly, even if you do, he's yellow.
That's all I need as a moderator to ban it, because it's racist to call chinese people yellow.
What does the history even matter?
The notion that i'm implying chinese people are incapable of making memes is hilarious, you should self-reflect.
Get a better charicature that doesn't seem racist. You're just feeding tankies and making yourself look weird.
Well, you're not the mod here, so who cares what you need to ban it?
This is a thread where we give our opinions on what should be bannable or not...
the OP is literally asking for opinions! What do you even think the point of discussing things is?
Do you think if anyone doesn't agree with you, that discussion is pointless, and you shouldn't even hear them out?
no, I think if the person is a tankie, you shouldn't hear them out on an instance on which being a tankie is against the rules.
I'm not a tankie... china is a dictatorship, authoritarianism is evil, all states are evil, fundamentally.
it's amazing that you think the only reason I could find this racist is by being a tankie, I'm also against the soviet union. I am literally working on an anti-tankie document... this is still racist though.
i'm not against mocking xi, in fact I think a non-racist charicature that mocked him would be great, let's just not make it yellow
The joke was started by the Chinese on WeChat. No, it doesn't seem racist, unless you mean it's racist to appropriate Chinese memes?
Can chinese people not do racist ignorant things? I've known many ethnic minorities to make racist charicatures of their own race, I don't really see your point
You're brainwahsed and should self reflect
Your evidence that i'm brainwashed is that I think a yellow, slow, lazy bear is kind of a weird portrayal of a chinese man?
Xi is a dictator and evil, I believe that, in fact, you know very little about my beliefs... I don't think the fact that I think it's weird to call chinese people yellow means i'm brainwashed, and the fact that that's what you'd jump to over such a small difference of opinion indicates to me that YOU are in fact brainwashed.
I think you all go into anti-tankie mode whenever someone says anything you disagree with.
Well, when a Chinese person tells me it's racist and they're offended, I'll stop using it. Not really interested in what some white, probably American middle-aged dude cosplaying an armchair communist for the aesthetics thinks is offensive.
weird that you're making so many assumptions about me to feel okay with something kinda bigoted.
edit: I really don't get it... he's a yellow squinty eyed slow stupid lazy bear
He's yellow, you got that right. And that's the only thing. He's not squinty, slow, stops, or lazy. Similarly, Obama isn't orange and bouncy.
Idk man, we haven’t seen Obama walk in a while, maybe he grew a tail and bounces on it.
Poohs defining characteristic is being gluttonous and lazy... that's why he says oh bother about everything, and i've certainly never seen him be intelligent... i guess the anthropomorphic bear is capable of speech and that qualifies?
None of that really matters to me, honestly, him being yellow is simply enough.
The only racist here is you dude, holy shit...
How exactly?
I don't need to make the assumptions to feel okay with it, the assumptions are just for fun on the side. I don't need to justify myself to you, and you failed to make me feel bad about it in the first place.
Now I bet you need a hug, come here.
Life is fun when you play pretend, let me know when you want to be an adult though
No.
I could be corrected on this but as far as I'm aware, it's not a caricature of Chinese people or Asian people, it's specifically a caricature of Xi Jinping, one of the most powerful people in the world. In fact, on Forbes list in 2018, he is listed as the #1 most powerful person in the world.
So I don't think it's a question of race so much as a question of how far are we allowed to make fun of the most powerful people on the planet.
The charicature part is strictly about his race though.
would you be fine with a blackface of obama?
the joke seems to be entirely yellow squinty eyed bear looks like him
i'm fine with forums banning racial charicatures, even of people in power
none of his personality resembles pooh, it's just his race, if anything he's ruthlessly efficient
I'm gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
none of his personality resembles pooh, it’s just his race, if anything he’s ruthlessly efficient
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times.
The real offense is a possible degradation of his "strong man" image.
I’m gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
what does this have to do with anything
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
okay, he's still yellow... and who cares if it was used before that or not? I genuinely have no idea what that has to do with anything
As a forum moderator, you see chinese person being a yellow bear, and tigger being obama... seems racist, better remove because it seems like a racist charicature.
None of the history of it matters at all in my eyes. I honestly and genuinely don't see why it matters to you.
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times. The real offense is a possible degradation of his “strong man” image.
then make a charicature that makes fun of that and isn't yellow, I would be fine with that
then make a charicature that makes fun of that and isn’t yellow, I would be fine with that
How would you feel about a white Pooh bear?
Weird, but for design reasons, I'd be COMPLETELY fine with making fun of Xi with that, if that had been the original design of winnie, though
It really just comes down to winnie being yellow, for me.
So you're arguing that the historical context of Pooh"s design matters, and I fully agree.
.Would it make a difference to know that these are the original designs? Would you consider the original designs to be permittable?
No, because my claim is not that the author of winnie the pooh created a racist charicature, my claim is that the author of the meme did.
if the author of the meme used these versions the meme would be fine
No. It's. Not. About. His. Fucking. Race.
Dude looks like a cartoon character. The only person bringing up race and calling people "yellow" here is you.
I'm not calling anyone yellow, i'm saying calling people yellow is bad, and if your charicature for an asian person is yellow, that's not a good idea.
You're the racist here.
Ah, yes, the most racist of all takes
that we shouldn't depict chinese people as yellow.
Not to split this but the real obvious parallel with Obama would be Tigger. I'm slightly surprised that didn't come up, because it's literally the same origin story.
Doesn't the initial image being paired with Tigger strike you as odd?
Almost as if there's two obviously racist things about the initial pairing?
Does it strike me as odd that there's an illustration of Pooh and Tigger together, two characters that are friends in the same fictional world?
No, it doesn't strike me as odd, can you explain that one to me? What's the history of racism in the Hundred Acre Wood that predates some world leaders with possibly fragile egos? And why is all the attention always on the Pooh half and never on the Tigger half?
The odd part is using a yellow character for the asian and tigger for the black person... for the obvious slur reason.
None of it has to do with the history of the hundred acre woods.
This is not a mockery of his race.
This is a mockery of his fragile ego that is apparently hurt by such a joke.
Can't it be both?