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Did something happen with lemmy.world?
The mods from 196@blahaj suddenly wanted to migrate to lemmy.world
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206
And not everyone agreed.
Ada also made a post about it: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20968775
I'm not sure how, but I only now recognise this as a photo of a budgie, my first scroll past I saw some ungodly horror creature screaming (with the beak being their entire head, and the squinted eyes being arms, maybe a fuzzy scene from an anime or something?).
Anyway, I'm certain no one cares, but I'm just so much more comfortable with it being a budgie lol
*cockatiel (◕દ◕)
Oof... the fediverse needs serverless communities.
What does server less communities even mean?
The cloud is just someone else's computer. So to have server less would mean inaccessible?
Cross-server communities would maybe be a better name. As in !196 would aggregate from all the communities named "196" on the fediverse.
Looking forward !politics@lemmy.world and !politics@lemmy.ml to collide
It's just like subscribing to a subscription folder which contains all "politics" communities. That doesn't mean the folder cannot be changed by the client. The client could easily have the feature to exclude communities from the folder or ignore blocked communities.
There could even servers that provide filtered community groups/folders.
https://piefed.social/ already has those, they are called "Topics"
That's pretty cool! Would be nice to have those in other fediverse software!
...what?
You're free to make an instance and put one community on it.
I assume it's a political preference, and they're also trying not to overload our hosts by decentralizing a common interest.
Edit: fuck, am I wrong? Something did happen; I'm out of the loop.
Edit 2: Is it Luigi?
Short version is that the main mod at blahaj.zone tends to mod based on vibes, so they've decided they'd rather take their community to .world where there is less moderation.
Problem is, .world is one of the most defederated instances. Personally, I stopped seeing trolls almost instantly when I stopped following .world communities, and pretty much everyone I've ever blocked has been a .world user. Also, .world mods have been instructed to engage with trolls in good faith, which is generally not a good move.
Edit: Ada left a comment defending herself and explaining that this move was essentially done behind her back. Personally, I'm sticking here because I think banning bad vibes is a good move, and the thing Moss was complaining about seemed like good things to me. Ada has never come across to me like a powertripping mod.
If they moved to (almost) any other instance I'd have no problem.
Heck, if they made a sticky post saying "We're looking at moving c/196 to another instance" a few months ago when the mod team started working on it[see edit], people probably would be less upset than they are now. Let alone putting it to a poll.
I don't want to make it sound like the c/196 team is nefarious or something, because IMO they are not. I just think they had a big lapse in judgement here around transparency, as well as a definition around community ownership that doesn't jive all that well with a lot of folks on federated services.
Edit: By the way, friends, if it turns out there was some form of notice in advance other than the current sticky and its duplicate (I know there wasn't consultation), please tell me. It's important to be clear on the facts - if we're not, we get people saying and repeating stuff like "it's because of the neopronoun stuff that came up", which is not really true.
if we’re not, we get people saying and repeating stuff like “it’s because of the neopronoun stuff that came up”, which is not really true.
Isn't it? Seems like that issue really brought the difference in moderation styles between the blahaj admin(s) and the 196 mods into focus. The move in itself isn't really the issue (rather how they did it and to where), but it would not have happened if there wasn't a rift between community mods and instance admin(s).
The mod team was mad that a couple people were banned for what they say were "mild takes." And mad that they asked Ada to unban these people and Ada said no. So they changed to a server where people can be their acceptable level of transphobic.
People banned from blahaj are posting on every single post that's gone up in the new community, and commenting as if they don't have a massive conflict of interest on how Ada's moderation style as if there's no sour grapes.
Aight, as a more casual Lemmy user who doesn't pay attention to the drama, what all has been happening with .world that's led to folks defedding with it? Only made a .world account cause it was one of the bigger instances around the reddit exodus.
It's mostly how big it is, the lax moderation policy, and all the effects of those that make smaller servers not want to deal with .world. As far as I know, there is no drama about this, .world is just big and that causes problems.
A similar thing on Mastodon is how Mastodon.social is the most commonly restricted and defederated server (meaning that you only see posts and replies coming from mastodon.social if you are following the poster/replier) simply because otherwise federation would DDOS smaller servers. The instance i am on now restricts mastodon.social, and the one i started on was fully defederated from mastodon.social. Mastodon.social has a pretty identical reputation to .world, and similarly to .world pretty much all the celebrities are there so defederation is a tough call for admins who chose it.
Copy that, much appreciated.
Is there a list of instances that defederated from .world?
Robust but incomplete list. Does not include the instances that Lemmy.World blocks, or the completely isolated instances that everyone defederates from.
Just to be clear, there are a lot of instances that are more universally blocked (lemmygrad is an obvious example) and the most common defederators are tiny instances who are basically being DDOSed by .world's traffic. Also, a lot of the complaints about .world are the result of how big it is, including the amount of trolls.
Beehaw at least
As a casual observer, it's interesting to see localized bias in action.
From what I've read so far, this move is supposedly related to a certain dragon using specific pronouns.
One side consider them a troll and saw blahaj choosing to protect them as a poor move. The other disagrees.
Your comment is amazing when considering that the opposite side uses the same argument in regards to trolls.
So I have to wonder whether there really is a troll and who they are or it's just a bunch of regular people unable to accept the concept of having different opinions on life.
Nice.
From what I've read so far, this move is supposedly related to a certain dragon using specific pronouns.
This is not really true, though not entirely irrelevant either. Some useful information below:
https://lemmy.world/comment/14552252The gist of it is, the mods do not agree with how the blahaj admin moderates, and how they apply the instance rules to the community. The neopronoun stuff could be an example (see: if someone was approaching it in good faith, and got banned for it - I don't have an example of that, but I also haven't looked), but isn't really the gripe here.
Again, the biggest problem here is just the community mods suddenly saying "Hi guys, we're over at .world now and c/196 is locked. Go there now" with very little notice, no community input, and scant details up front about the actual issue they had. The fact that the actual conflicts weren't outlined in more detail is why people are jumping to "it's because of dragon trolls". There is a user who uses neopronouns who often caused a stir, and there was controversy around how they/people misgendering them were dealt with, but that's not it in itself from my perspective, looking into it further.
Yeah, a problem with these arguments is that it takes time to go through with them start to end and the popcorn-munching audience (such as myself) have to watch them episode by episode. This results in having incomplete information on the actual situation.
A more reasonable way would be to wait until the season ends and then read the summary. But needlessly meddling into things is way spicier and hard to resist.
I should probably hold back more...
100% - trust me, I also jumped to the same conclusion based on initial reactions until I was like "Wait, did a mod or admin say something more specific somewhere else?". Not everyone has interest or bandwidth to do so [helped that I was hungover yesterday, so I rotted on Lemmy all day].
...come to think of it, there's lessons that are applicable to the IRL news cycle too, lol.