Are you surprised by the results of the US elections, and what do you think should have been done differently?
Are you surprised by the results of the US elections, and what do you think should have been done differently?
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The Democrats threw it away.
For several races now they've been told by many actual progressives, they need to embrace economic-populism. They refused to. Instead embracing the Cheneys. They got out played by a convicted felon, who's older than his IQ (thanks to another lemmon for that line. I love it).Just bafflingly long chain of poor choices dating all the way back to RBG.
Obama shoulda made her step down to replace.
Obama (or whoever has the power) shoulda told Joe he was sticking to one term after the 2022 midterms, and REALLY prepared for 2024 in earnest. They run the best primary they’ve ever ran. They do a non traditional media strategy.
But they did the opposite. Year after year. And then panic with a billion dollars and no path two months before an election that Trump has already been running for 2-4 years.
It goes back farther, to Bill Clinton embracing Neo-Conservitive economic principals.
That was the beginning of the end of the Democrats.Thank you. The most damage Dems ever did to most working class white folks in this country to prep them for despair, misery and authoritarianism was NAFTA. Couple that with not raising federal minimum wage when they had power. They want to keep billionaires happy though so no progressive candidates. Submarine Bernie. Annoint Hillary even though she was the most pro-war candidate in the primaries, she said she'd bomb Iran! This was after we'd barely finished the illegal disaster of fraudulent WMDs in Iraq and had begun slimming out of Afghanistan.
The fact they lost minorities like Hispanics to vote for them when Trump is pitching hate and deportation...the measure of failure is impossible to put into words.
Man... don't take this language personally. It's just the only way I know how to speak right now.
In what fucking world do you think a more progressive candidate would've turned Michigan and Pennsylvania blue?
Christ. I hope I'm fucking wrong. Because I do believe in a more progressive agenda. And I'm in Michigan. But this takeaway is absolutely fucking nuts to me.
The last thing we need is for the hardcore blue states to be even bluer while the battleground states are all red.
I don't know, man. Explain your math to me. Because I can't wrap my head around it. But I haven't slept in like 36 hours, either, so maybe it's just me.
I didn't say progressive. Progressive is a very broad term that can apply to all sorts of things.
I said economic-populist. One of the few things nearly all of us agree on in this country, is that the corporations and the ownership class have too much power in politics, and they're getting that power by stealing money from the working class. Trump was good at speaking to that, without actually doing much to help. The Democrats did some to help. But not enough, and they didn't want to sell it much for fear of scaring off the ownership/donor class.
Leave behind all the racial, sexual, social justice progressive stuff. It's divisive and won't help you win. Helping the poor generally, will disproportionately help those people more anyway. Just without putting them in the spot light.
Totally fair, man. Thanks for clarifying. Sounds like a totally reasonable take.
Trump was good at speaking to that
I don't understand this, he campaigned with Musk, flaunted the idea of offering him a cabinet position and Musk stated the people would suffer under his policies. That's about as pro corporate as it gets.
You're still not internalizing or groking that everything he says is some kind of lie, and can't be taken literally.
Harris lost Michigan by fewer votes than the number of people who voted “uncommitted” in the primary.
I don’t think the lesson here is to be more moderate or more conservative.
You know, uncommitted doesn't really bother me. Had I bothered voting in the primary, I'd probably have voted uncommitted, too. Because I'm not really happy about the administration's handling of the Israel-Gaza situation.
But I damn sure voted for Kamala yesterday. I hope the Jill Stein voters feel really fucking smug about teaching Democrats a lesson when Trump tells Netanyahu to just push all the Muslims into the fucking ocean, and sells them the bulldozers to do it. I hope they all fucking cheer when they watch it livestreamed, Xclusively on X.
Because I assume that's what they wanted out of this election, and by gum, they fucking got it.
I wonder if democrats feel good about supporting (leadership) or excusing (voters) genocide because they thought they had to to win, but lost anyway.
That was entirely about Israel and Gaza. The Democrats refused to distance themselves from the Republicans on that. Both sides were all in on the genocide. So yah people who felt it was the number one issue, had little reason to vote for Democrats over Republicans.
Little reason to vote Democrat over Republican?
Donald Trump said he wants Israel to “finish the job.” The Democrats at least were making overtures to peace. Were sending aid to Gaza.
Kamala was walking a tightrope. She was losing voters to Trump who didn’t think she was pro-Israel enough, and others to Stein who didn’t think she was anti-Israel enough.
Strategic voting is important in a first-past-the-post system, and those who rejected Kamala because she wasn’t sufficiently anti-genocide for them get to sit in the knowledge that they helped her lose, and helped put a man who will absolutely make the genocide worse in power.
Edit: But yes, my point was she probably could’ve gotten some of those voters if she’d been more anti-genocide.
Donald Trump said he wants Israel to “finish the job.” The Democrats at least were making overtures to peace.
Do you want 10 pounds of shit or 11? Who cares?
The pro-Israel crowd were already mostly evangelicals, all in on Trump from the get go.
Nobody would have voted for Stein if Harris took her Gaza rhetoric.I agree that she should’ve been pro-Gaza. I just also understand why she wasn’t.
It was calculated and cowardly, words that define the modern Democratic Party.
How many votes Harris got in the primary though?
I mean they went centrist this time and honestly got utterly creamed, I honestly can't believe how not close this was.
So if shifting to the right isn't working at all now what makes you think it's a winning strategy