So I get banned from lemmy.ml What now?
So I get banned from lemmy.ml What now?
cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/45204357
Yesterday, I created my account on Lemmy.ml because I want to become mod on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. And I posted this comic on !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml It's SDV game cutscene where Shane a NPC go watch Sports game with you kiss you accidentily but It was part of that event also player kiss Shane(NPC) back. Here's video for more context. And someone claimed it have SA(Sexual Assualt) From Hexbear Ofcourse. So, I should delete it. I said it was a part of game cutscene. And If main player doesn't love the Shane(NPC) then they don't need to complete this event. And Just as a sarcasm I added Yeah we shoule delete this entire community because this game is Woke like Woke Detector Steam Group said. That user think I am some anti-woke dickhead something like that IDK. And tell me to Kill My Self. What I do now? I wanted on become mod on .ml because community was already well established. I message dessaline but I am sure he will not unbanned me. :(
Did I really did something wrong? I don't know If I really did something wrong.
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One of the reason why our instance defederated from Hexbear. They're not there to discuss in good faith, they're there to incite and provoke, then they start crying if you reply back to their nonsense.
They're not worth interacting with.
To be fair I've had good discussions with a few of them, so I can't generalise.
But... yeah, some of them don't quite realise that the childish behaviour that would be OK in HB is despised elsewhere, and that it's the the major reason why their instance gets defederated so bloody often - it is not red scare, it's "get the children back to the kindergarten so the adults can talk".
Hexbear has been far more level-headed than Lemmy.world in my experience, it's definitely red scare. Lemmy.world admins admitted as much on their end.
Every time I interacted there, I got pile-dived. They're not level-headed at all most of the time. If one goes against the accepted positions, especially in things like "left unity" or North Korea, it's all baiting and insults until most people are eventually banned as "liberals" at best for reacting to it.
Sure there's a few mature people in it, but there's way too many tankies who take being in hexbear as an excuse to be massive assholes as often as possible.
I think l.w. is also not perfect either as it's pretty aggressively centrist, but at least it doesn't feel like a kindergarden most of the time.
I think that a key distinction that we need to do here is between what happens inside their instance versus outside.
Inside their instance, you might get some shitty situations (like you being piledrived), but I think that what @Cowbee@lemmy.ml says holds some grounds - it's mostly a space for Marxists. I don't use it often because I have a better time lurking in Lemmygrad, but it has a reason to exist.
The main problem is once they leave. Then the piledriving becomes brigading; and all that implicit agreement that they have among themselves (such as "mayocide" being typically uttered by someone who's themself light-skinned, and not genuinely preaching genocide of people based on skin colour) is suddenly not there, they're discussing with people in a completely different mood, they're in a situation where their political discourse will be in conflict with what others users say, they'll be likely in the minority so prone to ask for backup...
Frankly I think that their decision to enable federation was a mistake.
If you search on hexbear.net for the keyword (de)federation you should find several occurrences of hexbear users saying that about their own instance.
I think 0.19.6 is when communities will be allowed to mark themselves as "local-only", and I believe that ChapoTrapHouse, the_dunk_tank and some others will remove themselves at that time. Thereby making the experience opt-in rather than opt-out.
The main problem though is that the users, once incubated inside the echo chamber, will come out into the wider Fediverse with the precise same style, or even if dialed back 10-fold, still extremely aggressive. We already see numerous examples of people who after hexbear.net was defederated, switched to their (possibly already existing) lemmy.ml accounts and continued as they always had. For these people, no (defederation) means yes (another opportunity to dunk, from a different account). And if people started defederating Lemmy.ml more commonly, then they would surely migrate still further, to possibly lemmy.world or Lemm.ee that is extremely permissive and does not defederate from practically anything including lemmygrad.ml.
Then again, we know that we cannot control others - only ourselves. And also the only thing required for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing, so though it would take constant vigilance, making the experiences of new people joining the Fediverse is either something that we decide as a community to make better... or we don't, and accept that we are steadily losing people over time and with little possibility to reverse that trend, until and unless Reddit finally kills of old-reddit, but quite frankly even then. Not everyone is a scientist on mander.xyz or Arch Linux user btw anywhere else - and fully 100% of the people who I have told Lemmy about irl not only turn away in disgust at the behaviors and politically extremist content that is presented here, but furthermore admonish me for even mentioning it to them. We who curate such things tend to forget what it is like to be a newcomer, and see everything fresh all at once, but not know how to curate the experience. i.e. I don't think Lemmy will ever become "mainstream" as a result, especially not within the USA. Which a lot of people here don't seem to care about, but it does make me worry about keeping what little content stream we have here going... Though Mbin, Piefed, and Sublinks might, depending on how they handle such matters differently from the Lemmy instances.
Without knowing what got you dog-piled, you say it yourself, you broke the anti-sectarian rule. I do think that expecting to be treated with kindness when breaking instance rules directly is a bit of a tall order, especially if you use the term "tankie," which these days just means "Marxist."
As a Marxist, I've never had a problem on Hexbear, but many problems on Lemmy.world. I know you're not a Marxist, but generally Anarchists are also treated well. The only time it doesn't work out is if you have an anti-Anarchist Marxist or an anti-Marxist Anarchist, in my experience, and it seems lije you're more of the latter than not.
Without knowing what got you dog-piled, you say it yourself, you broke the anti-sectarian rule. I do think that expecting to be treated with kindness when breaking instance rules directly is a bit of a tall order,
Actually no. I broke hexbear's "no-sectarianism" rule in my own instance's anarchism comm and got dogpiled there. Since then, I've been getting dogpiled whenever I commented in hexbear even though I carefully strayed away from any "sectarianism". But once one's labeled as a "wrecker" elsewhere, it doesn't matter if you're doing any rule breaking or not in hexbear.
especially if you use the term “tankie,” which these days just means “Marxist.”
I use tankie in the original meaning. MLs who support brutal authoritarian suppressions of dissent.
The only time it doesn’t work out is if you have an anti-Anarchist Marxist or an anti-Marxist Anarchist, in my experience, and it seems lije you’re more of the latter than not.
I'm not actually anti-Marxist. In fact we still have hexbear federated because I think most marxist have generally the right takes albeit terrible praxis, so it's good to have more people pulling towards the left in discussions. I am however very anti-imperialist and anti-authoritarian and I believe "left-unity" with MLs and Anarchists doesn't work, at best. The latter part is naturally what made me a persona-non-grata in hexbear eyes.
I know you don't agree with Lenin, but I think reading Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism may help you with understanding Marxist-Leninists. And, for what it's worth, Hexbear seems to be making ML/Anarchist unity work.
Would it make me understand why hexbears are dogpiling anarchists who reject "left-unity"?
And, for what it’s worth, Hexbear seems to be making ML/Anarchist unity work.
For some definitions of "work", maybe. From my perspective it "works" the same way "unity" works in /r/politicalcompassmemes.
Would it make me understand why hexbears are dogpiling anarchists who reject "left-unity"?
I believe it would help, yes. Hexbear's Anarchists are generally supportive of AES because they agree with Lenin's analysis of Imperialism, though I don't claim to speak for all of them. Like I said, you don't have to agree with Lenin here, I just think your personal understanding of Hexbear and Marxism-Leninism in general, and thus your ability to "deal" or interact with them, would be much better if you read that specific work.
That being said, obviously I don't expect you to read an entire book just to understand political viewpoints you disagree with, I just wanted to point it out to you in case it hadn't been already.
For some definitions of "work", maybe. From my perspective it "works" the same way "unity" works in /r/politicalcompassmemes.
As someone who, back in my ultraleft liberal days (before I actually started reading theory and taking it seriously), participated in r/politicalcompassmemes, it's entirely different IMO. I think a good exercise if you want to see what Hexbear actually functions like is to scroll the News Megathread and see some of the conversations had there.
Again, though, you don't have to do any of this. I just think that if you for some reason decided to make "understanding Hexbear's Anarchists" a goal, then this is the quickest way to do so.
If you do decide to read Imperialism, you can DM me if you have any questions.
The question is, can an anarchist which doesn't accept any AES remain a member of hexbear for long, or do they get eventually punted for "sectarianism"? In fact, just how many anarchists who don't accept AES states do you actually have in good standing? How many who don't believe in left-unity?
The question is, can an anarchist which doesn't accept any AES remain a member of hexbear for long, or do they get eventually punted for "sectarianism"?
You can be critical of AES when not on a Hexbear account. "Left-Unity" doesn't mean "all leftist ideas are valid," rather, it's about coalition building. Again, understanding Lenin's analysis of Imperialism is helpful, as both the Marxists and Anarchists on Hexbear see what Lenin outlines as "Imperialism" as the greatest enemy of all Leftist movements.
In fact, just how many anarchists who don't accept AES states do you actually have in good standing
Unsure, I'm not a mod nor an admin. I think it's self-evident when identifying as an Anarchist that AES isn't your ideal, Hexbear's Anarchists usually just see it as a dramatic improvement on Capitalism.
How many who don't believe in left-unity?
Not many, I imagine, otherwise they would be on a different instance most likely.
Hexbear has been far more level-headed than Lemmy.world in my experience
This whole thread proves that this is false.
And, granted, I'm partially at fault here - since I was kind of expecting them to behave like 11yo kids once the teacher is gone, and having some fun at their expense - but note how they're in an otherwise serious discussion and doing nothing but shitposting.
Dunno, but seeing you taking part in this and encouraging bad behaviour...
I agreed with the message, not the tone nor how it was delivered. You can see me elaborate in my own words on that thread.
If you have a problem with what I say, engage it directly.
Thank for your honnest reply. I consider you are encouraging them. If you disagree with the tone, can you tell OP to edit his message and remove insult ? So we can aknowledge it as proof of good faith.
Thank
If his comments aren't breaking the rules and can stay up, I don't see why you feel the need to strong-arm me into submission for "proof of good faith." I have called out comrades before, I don't do it every time, especially when I clarified my position on that thread already.
They are all breaking the rule, but i asked our modo team to let this post since i wanted to try talking with you all.
Otherwise, you would never change, neither them.
My main point is that you shouldn't encourage people to do that because they will continu.
For example, when you are in a group that insult lonely people. There is a social mechanic, the harasser need supporters. It gives a sense of being in a group and loved. If we remove the supporter, then the harasser would have less reason to continue to do so, don't you think ?
That's why i asked you to talk to them because i also defend Hexbear, in my own way.
I believe you can have a positive change on them since they will be more willing to listen you. I believe you are the right person, you can take a more active role.
That's why I call out my comrades from time to time. I don't think the right way to do that is to strong-arm people into doing so.
Same. Strong-arm doesn't work. Usually, we reach people and ask them to edit their post, even the mod/admin team, and apologize or wait it to stop by itself.
Anyway, thank for taking your time and giving us your feedback. :)
Have a nice evening :)
You too!