@mawhrin I'm sorry if you were annoyed, but words matter.

@mountainriver Are you really shocked that the name is a lie?

@mii @blakestacey I cannot and will not argue about your points, they're absolutely valid. The words you're using however are not correct. Nazis are fascists, as are these right wing monsters. They are antisocialist, not socialists. They are against socialism and against democracy and only for their own brand of autocracy.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social My Debian Stable system was not on a version involved. My Manjaro was patched the very next day. My source based installs pulled from the git source, which was never involved. My Devuan is okay, and also does not run sshd. No problems here...

@OurToothbrush Your points are disingenuous. At the time some of the original works that are quoted were written, the term genocide had not come into common use. That makes the point that some of the writers did not use the term rather meaningless. Had you read the articles and researched the background data cited you might have learned something. It is clear to me now that learning that something you have questioned has a strong factual basis is not exactly what you're looking for. You're looking for someone to reaffirm your misconceptions. I am not that guy, and that does not upset me although it seems to upset you. Since you're not interested in anything from me I will abandon this thread at this point, but I suggest you continue and widen your readings I challenge your preconceptions to get closer to the truth. I wish you the best of luck.

@OurToothbrush https://euromaidanpress.com/2017/10/04/why-holodomor-is-genocide-under-un-convention/

@OurToothbrush https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2023/10/13/council-of-europe-recognizes-soviet-era-starvation-of-millions-in-ukraine-as-genocide_6168547_143.html#

@OurToothbrush https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/The-famine-of-1932-33-Holodomor

@OurToothbrush Yes. History is not my primary subject, but I have three degrees and trust the foremost experts on the subject. https://holodomor.ca/resources/documents-and-sources/documents/

@OurToothbrush my history books Aldo mention the starvation devastation Stalin visited upon the Ukrainian population. It is a matter of historical record, witnessed and verified. What about it do you doubt?

@OurToothbrush Here then https://www.npr.org/2022/11/28/1139402378/ukraine-holodomor-famine-stalin-parallels-putin-russia-war

@OurToothbrush https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

@OurToothbrush https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

@OurToothbrush In Ukraine, Stalin created starvation.

@OurToothbrush I did not compare who to Stalin directly, although reading what I did right I understand the misscommunication. Putin has expressed admiration for Stalin and the significant evidence that he would like to be like Stalin, but I agree that he is not quite there. He has expressed a wish to rebuild the Soviet Union and eliminate true democracy both in former Soviet Union states, in russia, and in the rest of the world. If you look at what he has done in the world, genocide is definitely in his wheelhouse.

@WaltJRimmer: When I was in High School I could get a
45RPM record for a buck. One track each side. My dad had 78RPM records with TWO track on some sides!

@OurToothbrush: No country is going to start a war of genocide and notify the world that what they are doing is genocide. They just do. Putin wants to be another Stalin and is following his steps to empire, and that included acts of Genocide against Ukranians to depopulate Ukraine so that Russians could take the land.