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Who was that hologram lady supposed to be at the end? She looks vaguely familiar but I couldn’t place her.

That was, unexpectedly, the legendary Jamie Lee Curtis.

LOL my guess - and it's only a guess - is that this is what happens when the previous Emperor either dies or abdicates willingly.

Which would make it maybe the seventh most ridiculous thing about the Terran Empire.

Okay, I enjoyed it as a breezy action movie.

I had a goofy grin on my face for much of the first act - it had style, which sort of fell away over time, which was unfortunate.

The Georgiou story is by far the strongest aspect of the movie - long-lost lover seeking revenge isn't the most original of plots, but it's executed well enough, and Michelle Yeoh is pretty terrific as expected. I particularly liked her line about a monster with a conscience being useless.

The middle act probably should have been simplified. The mole storyline was a distraction that prevented us from getting to know the new characters, and every single one of them suffers for it. Garrett's storyline needed more meat, and I would have appreciated more time spent with Alok beyond just the exposition of his backstory. Quasi skates by on Sam Richardson's considerable charm alone.

All in all, I think the movie is worth the time, even if no one's going to call it "deep" any time soon. I'd certainly be interested in watching them go to Turkana IV.

RIP Zeph. You were too beautiful for this world.

I appreciate the long answer - this is supposed to be a space for discussion!

I appreciate your perspective, too - I think if there's a difference in our perspectives, it might be that I prefer to see aspiration through struggle. The TNG "sunny ways" were fine for its time, but I think it's more meaningful - especially in the times we're living through - to portray the eternal vigilance and struggle to get to the Federation "utopia" (I kind of hate that word, but you know what I mean) - and to maintain it once you've got it.

It's interesting - I guess in my mind, the stuff SNW is doing is about as close to "traditional" Star Trek as it's possible to get in the current landscape. What do you feel is missing?

I haven't liked everything to come out of this era, but on balance I think Kurtzman has done a very good job with the franchise. One streaming movie that's a bit of a dud (assuming I don't like it when I actually see it) isn't likely to change my opinion on that.

The Verge: Star Trek: Section 31 is firing on all cylinders

Go on...

To be honest, that's always been the core argument.

I don't know where the line is - obviously, the morphogenic virus in DS9 was beyond the pale, but is it wise to expect hostile neighbours to be won over by sunshine and rainbows?

We have a thread set up to collect advance reviews - please feel free to share this there.

TrekMovie: Early Thoughts On ‘Star Trek: Section 31’

TrekCore: Star Trek: Section 31 Is a Dreary, Unfortunate Misfire

io9: Section 31 Is a Mediocre Action Movie, and an Even Worse Star Trek One

The Federation didn’t need 31 to win the war

Do we know that for certain? The cure to the virus was actually pretty fundamental to the Female Changeling ordering the Jem'Hadar to stand down. She refused to surrender until Odo linked with her and cured her.

I completely agree.

I've often thought that there must have been plenty of Section 31 operations that didn't rise to the level of, you know, genocide, and that those operations were likely more ambiguous.

I'm hoping that whatever they're up to in this movie is more in that vein - almost certainly illegal, but probably more ethically murky?

They were definitely villains in the series...but I don't think DS9 ever made a strong case that they weren't necessary (nor do I think they were trying to).

Right up until the end, the morphogenic virus was critical to the end of the war.

It's quite difficult to describe the character of Fuzz. This is a species that we have never seen before.

...Huh. So neither Vulcan nor Romulan, apparently. It's been a while since the word "Vulcanoid" has been on my mind.

So could any given episode of "My Little Pony" - in fact, the number of things that could say "Star Wars" on it is literally endless!

The EPC seems to be an endless source of controversies, I can't keep track of them all.

Hey, Hugh isn't dead in STO canon!

Edit: I briefly forgot that he's technically already in the game, but still!

Tractor beams and force fields are actually both supposed to be applications of graviton technology, so...kinda?

But no, I don't think that bit of the Technical Manual is very consistent with how we saw the holodecks actually being used.

I wonder if they have any regrets about being in this constant cycle of having to top themselves.