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How did Nottingham do it?
  • That's a good idea, I might investigate those archives if they're available.

    It's so strange that no one in other local governments could ever envision monopolies forming over something like a bus service (where bus routes are limited anyway).

  • How did Nottingham do it?
  • I wonder what made only Nottingham have the long term vision to do this unlike other local governments. Do you know what the residents' reaction to this news was when they did it?

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    How did Nottingham do it?

    Does anyone know where I can access any resources on how Nottingham developed its public transport netowork to what it is now? It is arguably the 3rd best system in the UK (behind Manchester and London) despite being the 9th largest city. With austerity getting worse in this country, I wonder if there's anything worth learning about how to establish good public transport on a budget. Maybe similar sized cities like Leicester or even bigger like Leeds can adopt some of the strategies that made Nottingham into an easy place to travel around without a car.

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    Excluding London, how would you rank UK cities in terms of how good their public transport is?
  • I'm not sure about the economic models of how such cities work, but Manchester and Nottingham have very competent rail/ tram services and public transport. I'm also pretty sure Nottingham also offers free travel to students.

  • Excluding London, how would you rank UK cities in terms of how good their public transport is?

    The UK has some of the worst public transport of Europe's "more economically developed countries" after decades of austerity and lack of investment into public services. But which local councils would you say have made the most out of what they have had to work with in developing a transport network that is effective for people to get to work, school and social events? What would you say makes each of them so effective and how did they achieve these things? I have excluded London as the UK (in my opinion) has a problem with pretending like London is the only place worth investing in when it comes to public transport.

    I ask this question so that we can reflect on how places can make the average citizen's life easier for getting about whilst on a budget. Even though the UK is in dire straights at the moment, it might be worth looking to the towns and cities that make the most out of what they're given to understand how to develop good public transport (which will inevitably develop those micro-economies)

    Thanks.

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    Look what you made me do
  • The mindset behind this comment confuses me. Who do you think is more called to action by their beliefs, the one who vehemently opposes the status quo or those one who is apathetic to/ supports it?

  • Look what you made me do
  • Second of all they're right. It IS exhausting being like this, but someone has to do it. Because if people aren't being exhaustingly fed up of the status quo, billionaires will keep fucking us up, down and sideways. I almost wish I COULD be like Ilovethebomb. Ignorance, willing or not, is bliss afterall...

  • Are trams that good (genuine question)?
  • The problem with this though is if a town/ city can afford a tram network but chooses not to in order to cut corners for upfront costs, it shows a lack of commitment. The wrong government/ council comes into power and a BRT us getting rolled back straight away for car centric infrastructure again.

  • Are trams that good (genuine question)?
  • Fantastic. So a nice small town can really rely on well planned out bike paths with a good tram network if they can afford the upfront costs. If not, then a BRT system or similar with separated bus lanes would be the next best thing, making sure that these "mid" to "short" distance forms of transports linl well with the town's train station(s).

  • Are trams that good (genuine question)?
  • I wouldn't call Birmingham a small city haha, but thanks for this!

    Edit: I am an idiot, I get what the link means by "Birmingham is a small city" after taking 5 mins to read.

    Edit 2: Just taken some more time to read this and it's gold, thanks for sharing. Really informative.

  • Are trams that good (genuine question)?
  • Sure. Some cities where I come from where trams exists have roads that have tram tracks in the middle of them. As others have alluded to this is probably rare - I don't really know as the last time I took a tram I was too young to remember it and I live in a town that has no trams at all.

    Because of my experience with seeing tram tracks on roads I assumed they shared significant parts of their journey with road cars which made me think they're subject to traffic jams.

  • Are trams that good (genuine question)?
  • Yeah this makes sense. I come from a country that doesn't have many trams and when I do see them they tend to be interacting with the road which is probably where my perception comes from.

  • Are trams that good (genuine question)?

    Sometimes when watching videos on effective ways of public transport and trams come up, I get a bit annoyed at people not addressing the fact that they seem to share the road with cars. Why do people twerk for trams so much as a form of light rail if they share the road with cars and are subject to being affected by traffic? Doesn't that just make them rail buses without their own bus lane? Doesn't that make them more obsolete? Why do people like them so much?

    Edit: Also, does anyone have any resources about the cost to benefit ratio of different intratown/city forms of transport (bike lanes, BRT, trams and other forms of light rail, subways etc)? Would be much appreciated.

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    How thr fuck do I force/ lobby my local council to implement acceptable public transport into my town

    I live in the UK and my town has not got transport that allows mobility for all. No bike lanes (and if they exist they're just painted on the road), no bus lanes (buses get stuck in the same rush hour traffic and everyone else which doesn't incentivise people to take them) and these buses are also unreliable and infrequent. What makes it worse is that my local council is right leaning. How do I hold my local council accountable to implementing even the cheapest solutions to traffic and transportation? How can I lead to public transport change in my community?

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