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It just seems like you are placing a LOT of trust in community mods to make decisions on behalf of the community for its own well-being rather than to feed their egotistical desires.

To be fair, community mods have any number of ways to behave badly as stewards even without such a system. I also don't see what is immediately potentially corrupt about moving instance in a way that would inherently annoy the audience.

However, I am recalling the semi-recent controversy of the 196 mods attempting to forcibly move their community from blahaj to Lemmy.world and people got insanely angry and started a whole new 196 (again, which is how 196 had moved to blahaj in the first place).

Well, I mean there we are. I suppose in that event someone else would co-opt them entirely.

But supposing community migration did exist then, the blahaj administrators would have to give consent - and if the community clearly rejected it, I doubt they would give it.

A lot of people came here from Reddit to get away from such practices, not subject themselves to an army of little fiefdoms within which each mod is in control of their own community.

To be fair, the current piefed migration system relies on the consent of the new instance. You can't just do it unilaterally. And I assume a piefed to piefed community transfer would require the consent of the old instance too, so you can't just do it uniltaterally. And in a general sense we are already all at the mercy of corrupt instance owners as it is.

If Reddit was an empire, then your model sounds like a peaceful, hopefully loving (sometimes, but... perhaps not always?) kingdom, whereas I am talking about a democracy where the individual people who submit their content get to control their individual futures, even if their past submissions are carved in stone and their own control over it mostly released.

I mean as I said, the ideal migration system would leave public records of movement - and people would post knowing full well that all communities are modular and could be moved.

So applying that same thinking process here, does anyone - not just Rimu but anyone - have the right to simply steal community content wholesale?

In my opinion this is a mindset issue. You are thinking of communities as integral parts of instances rather than modular concepts. In my mind, a community migration would be mutual and transparent. There could even be a "Community History" button somewhere in the sidebar that details its timeline if it has moved instances at any point. Instances could in theory 'reject' recognition of migration from all other instances or specific instances, but in a collaborative cross-instance setup - ideally I'd imagine most instances would be on-board as it benefits everyone. The purpose of being able to just shift instances like that, to such an extent, is to prevent them from having to completely restart if an instance (like lemm.ee) goes down, or if they find that they're having disagreements with the instance administrators.

Lemm.ee shocked everyone, but the passage of time will lead to more instances slowly dropping and forcing their communities to find new homes. That isn't a slight on the fediverse system, it's just what will happen naturally as some instance owners just lose interest over time.

Why wouldn't the commentors have the right to do or not do what they wish with their own comments?

I mean I don't know why I would be bothered if my own comment history on "television" (for instance) suddenly publicly changes from television@piefed.social to television@piefed.world. It would still be the same community, and describe itself as such. You could even add little disclaimers in automatically migrated comments for transparency.

And even more relevant, what if the recipient instance has different rules than the original? Like defederations? Rules about niceness or illegality of stuff (see e.g. Lemmy.world's whole deal with piracy community).

Presumably a piracy community wouldn't migrate their community into an anti-piracy instance. The host community and instance would have to consent to migration.

Might it not be better to make a hard break from the old, allowing a fresh start on the new? i.e. community migration is just a convenience feature, it was never meant to do all the things that you said.

Depends on how built-up your community is. It sucks to have to start all over again.

Casting is a cool one. Maybe Spoilers too.

"Episode Discussion" is fine in principle, but the community isn't large enough imo where that would be necessary.

Repeating myself here, but the community migration tool on Piefed is somewhat incomplete. it only migrates posts and comments locally to the incoming instance its moving to. What is needed for proper community migration is the ability to all instances to recognise comment migration. And ideally, the automatic rerouting of all subscribers to the new community.

Effectively making communities modular. Much of this is outside Rimus power (due to the Fediverse still being most Lemmy, but one day... one day)

Yes, but it only migrates posts and comments locally to the incoming instance its moving to. What is needed for proper community migration is the ability to all instances to recognise comment migration. And ideally, the automatic rerouting of all subscribers to the new community.

Effectively making communities modular. Much of this is outside Rimus power (due to the Fediverse still being most Lemmy, but one day... one day)

Television@piefed.social is now routinely in the top 50 communities day/week activity chart as seen on lemmy.world, with a peak position of like 27.

Yeah, Fallout is in many ways a sandbox - a premise, that can be played with. You need the aesthetics, the vibes (and good writing) but you have much more liberty.

North Korea is for thee, but not for me.

Yeah, I am just speaking as a general principle - not whatever happened here. Mass downvoting isn't at all observed like that anyway. It's the behaviour from some individual accounts that repeatedly downvote different threads from a specific community. So you'd be looking at habits across threads.

If in my community (for instance) someone was to come in and just downvote the entire first page, I'd probably ban them because that would just be a crude attempt to target it. And again: downvoting like that is worse for smaller communities trying to grow.

Anyone banning for downvoting is incredibly petty or thin skinned, just my observation. If it wasn't for the instance shutting down, it would have made a good post on yptb. Reading other comment threads on this post support the thin skinned theory imho. I just happened to be browsing all when I found the post. Looking at my subs, I wasn't subscribed to any community there.

What about in the context of mass-downvoters? I can't speak for Dubvee, but mass-downvoters do exist - and they can be corrosive for smaller communities trying to grow, as early downvotes of threads can effectively kill them. These are accounts that seem to primarily downvote and don't actually interact on-site, and have no real pattern to it. This kind of response has little to do with sensitivity.

I already posted a news article on this lol, but like 20 minutes ago. I'll remove mine and keep yours up for poster variety.

Otherwise, Twisted Metal is coming out at the end of the month.

There's already one (1920s-1930s Weimar)

Babylon Berlin.

On the one hand, this is one of the most interesting historical time period and places of the modern era.

On the other hand, we have Babylon Berlin - and its authentically German.

Per the UK definitions, the concept of "NSFW" is deranged. I made a post on what Reddit is supposedly going to do here.

It's more ugly that they are also implicitly saying that you, as a Korean, should just become the plaything of Kim Jong Un. That really you should actually just become a puppet of them.

Said safe and sound somewhere from a bedroom in the USA.

Yea, but I really think .ml not being defederated from is causing a bit of a feedback loop encouraging similar toxic behavior in other users for their own, even non-Tankie, reasons

Can I just say that if instances start flipping from being lemmy instances to piefed instances, as is slowly happening, then lemmy.ml will potentially find itself more marginalised and the questions of defederation will happen. As it stands now, lemmy.ml is the foundational instance for the lemmy software and that is likely the primary reason why many instances won't pull the plug.

Or even Twitter these days.

It was a rather sombering thread, that echoed quite a bit of what I've been saying about .ml, the Triad, general toxicity of their Tankie "ideology" for months now.

A lot of what Patrick is referring to goes well beyond the 'tankie triad' (two of which are banned from most instances anyway).

Hell, I saw hex users fucking cheering .ee's shutdown because it was some sort of psyop/CIA/fed/lib/"They didn't perfectly agree with me" instance. They call feddit.org a "Nazi Zionist" instance for the crime....of not wanting to be arrested and complying with German law...

And yet all that happened was with lemm.ee shutting down, hexbear became more isolated because lemm.ee actually federated with them.

Outside of .ml, most tankies are despised across the fediverse.

To be fair, the idea that Ofcom even know Lemmy exists is unlikely.

Feddit is actually (presumably) hosted in the UK, so if Ofcom actually knew what the Fediverse is they could start trying to demand they do age verification.