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The 3 D's are a useful tool to tell apart antisemitism and valid criticism.

that's what's odd about it. The article says the reason the team didn't shake hands was because of 'wholly inaccurate accusations of antisemitism'. So does that mean they would have shaken hands if one of the israeli team members had not made that accusation? Or were they just looking for a reason? This is what seems odd to me. If we imagine Ireland playing against an african nation that is also torn by war and conflict. If one of their team members accused the irish team of racism, and as a consequence, the entire irish team refuses to shake hands with the African team because they are so offended by these accusations. That would be really weird. That's why I asked for more context.

There is a difference between the country and the religion and antisemitism is used for the religion alone.

That is incorrect. Anti-Judaism is the (much older) component of antisemitism that is used for religion alone. While it is wrong to say that any criticism against israel is antisemitic, it is equally wrong to say that criticizing Israel is never antisemitic. in some cases it is. Sadly many people refuse to have this discussion. Israel exists because of antisemitism, not the other way around.

how am I supposed to understand this, what is the context here?

An Israeli player said "It's known that they are quite anti-semitic" and the entire irish team felt so offended by that that they decided not to shake the hands of the israeli team? To show them how unfounded the allegations are?

What are the details here? the article doesn't really say much

good point. I have already shifted my position on this. Patients won't be able to get their needs met unless they comply, so acting like you like it, or even convincing yourself that you enjoy it is pretty much the only way to get through this process.

ouch, that hurts. But point taken.

Im okay with admitting that, but I would think that you’d have to be pretty vulnerable to share that info

you are right. It is inconsiderate of me to expect people to disclose vulnerabilities in order to have their perspectives validated. I wouldn't want to be treated that way either.

you make good points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.

thanks for the links. To clarify, I oppose "functioning labels" like "severe" or "mild" autism. However, I think it is important to say that some autistics feel more disabled by their autism than others. Support need vary, and there should be a way to express that. If you have another term that is better, I'm all open to hear that! Finding good terms isn't always easy. Doesn't mean any one is better than the other. I agree with you insofar that any kind of "ranking" - as you say, is very misleading. I am usually called "mildly autistic" when I disclose my autism. Which is not how I experience it. I'd personally be more comfortable with being called a high masking autistic, as it doesn't invalidate my experience as much. Again, I am open for better words here. What I read about people who identify as level 2 or 3 autistics is that it is important to them to make some distinction, as their experience is quite different from people with lower support needs.

You not wanting to listen to them, or not considering them “enough” to satisfy whatever need it is you have (which I genuinely don’t understand), is a you problem.

You misunderstand me here. I precisely want to listen to them. What I am looking for is perspectives from people who dealt with more impairing issues (eg problems getting dressed, basic hygiene, trouble to communicate basic needs etc). I haven't seen the perspectives from these particular people.

their positive experiences with gay conversion therapy.

I am not looking for perspectives in favor of it, what I am looking for are any perspectives from people with high support needs, as the debate around it is usually led by either neurotypicals or (comparatively) independent autistics, who in many cases have no first hand experience with ABA. Autistics with high support needs are the ones most affected by ABA, and ironically they have virtually no voice in this debate, which bothered me.

The use of “levels” is also profoundly problematic. Google it.

Which expression do you prefer, then? genuine question. I found the 'levels' to be a better term as it distinguishes by support needs rather than 'intelligence', as the word 'Asperger' suggests. Googling didn't help with that question. Again, let me know what your preferred expression is.

ABA absolutely does not help anyone to learn important skills, but forces people to hide who they are to avoid shame and punishment. It’s abusive, causes trauma, and is not okay.

I read plenty about these things, and that's why I am also concerned. So what I'm looking for is experiences with the people most affected by it.

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but some of us have been affected by our past experiences and don’t really care to be reminded of them.

Fair point. I added a Content Warning to the post.

yes. It is regared as traumatic and abusive by many, many autistic self-advocates. I'll provide some links later. However, I found one perspective missing. The debate around it is held by either neurotypical people or by autistics with low support needs. So I'd like to know what autistics with higher support needs think and feel about the issue.

care to elaborate? I'm genuinely interested

I love Vital (Vitalium) and Zyn-Fusion. Surge and Odin are great too. all of them are open source and work great with bitwig.

Your claims that there are evidence is false because there is none.

I literally provide resources of evidence and all you say there is "none"??

give me evidence backed by multiple, independent sources. Then I have a look. Otherwise this is nothing but misinformation.

Ja, das Podcast hat sehr gut getan. Traurig, dass solchen Ansichten so wenig Aufmerksamkeit gegeben wird

The claim that anti-semitism is hidden under anti-zionism

both is true: Anti-semitism under the pretext of anti-zionism and legitimate critizism labeled as anti-semitism. Jewish people are instrumentalized by both supporters of the Israeli governent and anti-zionists.

but it is impossible to have a proper debate about it and differentiate these two in Germany

not impossible, but people don't pay attention to those who have nuance opinions. If you speak German, a good example would be this podcast by Jung und Naiv.

By blaming all anti-zionist positions to be anti-semitic, it also creates a reaction of defiance

I agree with that. In the same way, denying that anti-zionism and anti-semitism interconnected is equally unhelpful

anti-semitism nowadays is usually expressed throught the pretext of "anti-zionism". While I agree German authorities didn't do a good job at managing the protetsts, there is no denial that some prostestors have expressed anti-semitic ideas during some protests

The “fact check site” links to the now completely debunked New York Times article as “evidence” for the rapes. You are arguring against a large amount of evidence here that has been verified independently multiple times. Hamas murdered children, and they also raped women.

I probably won't convince you, but for the people who care about truth: "The grayzone" you're linking here is everything but a reputable news source.

From the wikipedia article:

The Grayzone has been criticized for defending authoritarian regimes.[4][20][34][40][61] In Reorienting Hong Kong’s Resistance: Leftism, Decoloniality, and Internationalism, The Grayzone was described as "known for misleading reporting in the service of authoritarian states".[25] Nerma Jelacic, writing in the Index on Censorship, described The Grayzone as "a Kremlin-connected online outlet that pushes pro-Russian conspiracy theories and genocide denial."[62] In 2019, The Grayzone had claimed the Commission for International Justice and Accountability, of which Jelacic is a director, collaborated with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra affiliates.[62]

You spread disinformation. You're not helping anyone by doing that. Just stop, okay?

Two corrections: On October 7, infants have been executed. While they weren't beheaded, they were still murdered. And sexual assault by Hamas fighters has been widely documented and proven.

These things did happen. You're not helping anyone by hiding things that are also true.

KI wird uns wohl nicht in naher Zukunft ersetzen

Ja, stimmt, da hast du recht. Es ist in dem Fall eine bessere Idee, authentisch zu sein.