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Every time spez speaks, I want to interact less and less with reddit

I was actually somewhat ok with going back to certain Reddit communities (although NOT just mindless scrolling) after the blackout. There's a lot of communities where (I thought) there's literally no alternatives.

Then came his latest wave of interviews attacking people that did their jobs for them (mods, Devs making a usable mobile app) and making insane hypocritical statements about "democracy" (everyone would gladly kick you out given the chance) and "landed gentry" (dude, if the mods are the out of touch landed gentry, that would make you the out of touch king, right?)

Why is he still giving interviews? Not like I even care about the company but seriously what good can he possibly do at this point, every day thousands more people leave for good.

Anyway, I seriously don't think I can use Reddit with a clear conscience, at all, anymore, at least for now. Every time I interact with the site (even with adblock) I can't help but think the entire time I am helping this millionaire megalomaniac's company keep continuing on.

I guess there's always the chance the board is letting him self destruct to offer him as the sacrificial lamb.

I honestly don't know if this will last in terms of me not using reddit at all, but every day this idiot opens his mouth is another day I'm not using reddit and another day I'm searching for and interacting with alternatives.

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So, how do we think this ends?
  • Yeah, honestly whether or not they back down or some solution is reached regarding the current situation, they will not stop aggressively monetizing users. A lot of veteran users will leave, some will stay or come back eventually, but I think pretty much every veteran user will be gone permanently if they get rid of old Reddit.

  • Christian Selig on the spez internal memo dismissing reddit's blackout
  • "no revenue impact so far" how is it possible to be this short sighted? Of course people using the official app and website without adblock won't have gone anywhere. It wasn't every subreddit, they're probably just wondering why so many aren't working. But if this continues, and tbh the damage is already done for a lot of people, users and moderators who generate the content and make the site usable for the zombies will leave and it will just become twitter 2.0, an increasingly bad shitshow, some subreddits will be left with no quality submissions at all.

    Also: "still in conversation" with other third party apps? The entire point was to make the price so high they'd have to shut down. Plausible deniability I guess, and those other third party apps with way less users will probably just be able to sell subscriptions (can't even use ads, though)

  • So, how do we think this ends?
  • Yeah this is what I keep thinking. Most people don't contribute at all, and there's "power submitters" who do most of the posts and top comments. With them gone, who's actually gonna make content for people to view?

  • Reddit @lemmy.ml markipol @beehaw.org
    So, how do we think this ends?

    It can go one of a few ways.

    1. Apart from the few subs that remain offline, it'll basically be back to normal. Those that do remain offline indefinitely just get forcibly reopened or recreated by admins, especially huge subreddits like /r/videos. Smaller ones just get redicted to /r/topicnew or some other creative name.

    2. A lot of subreddits and more importantly moderators and users leave the site permanently. In order for this to happen however, there'd have to be a consensus alternative, which there isn't ATM. Otherwise, these communities are pretty much lost forever unless the mods put a message to go to X alternative service in the "subreddit is private" banner. Tbh, I don't think people are gonna stomach losing years of their lives in an instant so they'll just re create subreddits unless the mods provide an alternative.

    No matter what though, they're not backing down on the effective removal of the API (still leaving the sneaky clause "you can pay us if you want but it'll be a king's ransom" for AI, even though they can just trawl the web manually lol). They'll probably announce some crappy customization features to hoodwink those who don't know what an API is and lie to them and say it's "API v2" or whatever.

    I just honestly don't know how it's going to shake out and I'm scared im going to lose these communities. I don't give a single solitary fuck about Reddit the company anymore, and I never did really. I just hope all of the subreddits find a new home and don't just shrug their shoulders and say "welp, guess that's it guys".

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    Is there any feedback of the current blackout? Feels like everything will be over soon and it's going on like before.
  • I think another major miscalculation is there was no alternatives agreed on by consensus. For example, if they had said to everyone "go to Lemmy", "go to discord" etc. Now there's no alternative to a lot of subreddits, people will just wait it out and go back to the subreddits when they go back, or if they're indefinitely suspended they'll just make new subreddits.

  • Whats the chance of you guys returning to r/196 if the sub comes back?
  • Yeah, it's a bit of a wake up call/eye opener for me. Why would I stay on a site that fully adheres to the rule "if a service is free, the user is the product". When there's now perfectly good non profit alternatives. Also, this is why Facebook/Twitter/Google etc need to either stay well away from the fediverse or just get defederated. As soon as they start participating they'll just start taking over and trying to monetize the platform.

  • Whats the chance of you guys returning to r/196 if the sub comes back?
  • Yeah, this tbh. I understand there's got to be basic rules, but shit like title formats and most of the time your post not going through (because of X automatically enforced rule like automatic hiding or deletion if you put a certain word or phrase in the title/post body) is just maddening. One time I did a post and the message the mod sent me explaining what was wrong with my post was almost as long as the post itself lol. I really hope this doesn't start happening with reddit alternatives.

    And yeah, the sheer size of reddit makes it almost impossible to interact with people on large subreddits. Especially if you're commenting on a post that's like 12 hours old on a large subreddit, your comment will never get seen just because of the deluge of already existing comments.

  • First post rule
  • It's definitely strange what they sell at Australia Post. Maybe it's a bit of a captive market situation, usually the line is very long and they guess people will see stuff and think "Hey that looks cool".

  • how new.reddit looks in private browsing
  • Yeah, Reddit has 0 interest in being Reddit anymore. They want to be tiktok/Instagram (that's why the video player is fucking trash, they want it to look like tiktok). The thing I don't understand is those apps are already much larger than Reddit, why would people from those apps ever come to Reddit? And why would you just completely abandon your loyal userbase?

  • Some bugs (anyone else getting them?)

    This is on the mobile web, hasn't happened so far on the desktop site but I haven't been using desktop as much. So, sometimes just randomly although more often when I'm sorting by new on all (federated), infinite random posts from months or even years ago will just start randomly showing up and scrolling infinitely.

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    Anyone else watching 24 hours of le mans? (live stream in link)

    Might as well make a thread. Probably not a lot of overlap between car racing and lemmy i guess but i'm sure there's some people out there who like car racing (still on that fuckcars bandwagon though, cities should not be reliant on cars).

    Interestingly, there's an unofficial yet tolerated i guess youtube stream of it (linked). Anyways its my first time watching (I've always been interested in the race, just never got round to watching) it's pretty interesting so far even if i don't know a lot of the teams/drivers.

    Also, they, for the first time, have a literal nascar (heavy, no aerodynamics at all, designed to go in a circle) running alongside LMP (Le Mans Prototypes, cars literally designed for running 24 hours of this circuit, running centimeters off the ground, extreme amount of downforce so they speed around corners). Just completely different cars in the same race lol

    Also its raining right now so watch, already getting spicy.

    Edit: 3 cars in a row just spun out and crashed (at low speed, total aquaplane)

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    Spez after the AMA be like

    it is genuinely hard to believe how it could have gone worse

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    Does it matter where an instance is located in terms of lag?

    Sorry if I say something wrong, I'm not that experienced in this area.

    So, when you connect to google.com, you're not connecting to one IP regardless of location. Your request is routed to the closest google server's ip address (using anycast? Yes, I just googled this lol).

    I'm guessing the Lemmy servers don't do this yet? So, would it be best to sign up to a server near you, lag wise? Especially with the continuing and ever escalating avalanche of Reddit refugees to reach a zenith on June 12-14?

    I'm making this post because I was thinking of making a small website or app thing showing new users a random instance (to reduce load on lemmy.ml or any one individual server). And then that becomes the default "go here to join Lemmy" link for new users. But then I realised I could get the IP (or manually input) location of the user and randomly choose an instance out of the pool of instances nearby.

    Anyways, I'm probably not gonna do this myself because lazy (I know) but I think it'd be a good idea.

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