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What's the most "set and forget" Linux distro that's still flexible these days?
  • My go to back in The Day was just Ubuntu because I was lazy.

    So we have a bias towards Debian-based distros.

    it’s not been playing nice with my Zen 4 desktop when it comes to ACPI power states (no sleep, doesn’t reliably turn the power off when i ask it to turn off, etc).

    However, a newer kernel is definitely preferred.

    is also something based on a normal distro that most people write guides for because I am a smoothbrain.

    And finally, healthy access to documentation.


    Based on the above, I would not pick:

    • Debian Stable or any distro based on it. They ship with the 6.1 kernel, which launched only a couple months (January 2023) after the launch of Zen 4 (September 2022). I'm aware that access to newer kernels is possible. However, at that point, why even bother with Debian Stable to begin with?
    • While both of Debian's Testing and Sid/Unstable branches have access to newer kernels from the get-go, distros that ship the latest kernel by default (e.g. Arch, Fedora, openSUSE Tumbleweed and their derivatives) are simply better for offering an end-user product.
    • Arch, Fedora, openSUSE Tumbleweed and their derivatives are primarily dismissed for not being based on Debian. Though, the fact that they're more towards the rolling release side of things does play a minor role as well. By their very nature, they will change. Hence it's less ideal for "set-and-forget" setups.
    • Pop_OS!' team seems to be primarily focused on delivering their upcoming COSMIC DE. For this reason, the distro has been in relative limbo. Therefore, I can't recommend it.
    • TUXEDO OS is dismissed for being relatively unpopular. Lots of other Debian(/Ubuntu) derivatives are dismissed for various reasons.

    Let's get to the actual recommendation, Linux Mint seems to be tailor-made for your use case:

    • Based on Ubuntu, but without Snaps. While you can choose to use Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) instead, that one doesn't come with the latest kernel. So the recommendation is for (standard/vanilla) Linux Mint.
    • Their forums are full with up-to-date and (relatively) well-written guides; while the excellent ArchWiki is arguably better, Linux Mint isn't a slouch either. Furthermore, as Linux Mint is very popular, you can simply expect to find solutions to most things that might come up.
  • can't update System (Fedora 41)
  • I had something similar going on in Fedora Silverblue. I didn't really want to fiddle with it at the moment, so I just uninstalled whatever I got from ProtonVPN and the update went smooth afterwards. I hope someone else can point you towards a better answer.

  • Looking for an immutable desktop distro
  • should I be looking at any other distros?

    From what I can tell,

    • containerization is appealing to you; almost all of them employ this to some degree, but some more than others. More on that later.
    • your preference goes out to (closer to) stock experiences rather than opinionated ones

    I take it that you'd rather stick to the (relatively-speaking) more popular options. Not that popularity is necessarily good, rather not used by anyone else is bad.

    Then, the following are worth looking at as well:

    • NixOS; it's quite different to all the others, perhaps we may call it obtuse by comparison. But, it has been going at it for the longest; heck, it's older than Ubuntu. And, in my humble opinion, is one of the main inspirations for the others. But, contrary to the likes of Fedora Atomic or Vanilla OS, it doesn't go all-in on OCI. Therefore, it might not be as smooth of a transition.
    • Guix System; the answer to "What if we had FSF-compliant NixOS, but with actually good documentation?" Jokes aside, this is a cool and underrated distro.
    • openSUSE Aeon; relatively new still, but perhaps already offers the most secure OOTB experience. However, from what I can tell, in terms of transition to OCI, it doesn't strive to be very revolutionary (as of yet). Fedora Atomic seems to be a relatively significant (and IMO exciting) departure from traditional Fedora. By contrast, openSUSE Aeon seems more like a revolution with a (very) small r. Though, one may argue this is mostly due to maturity. Consider openSUSE Kalpa if you're feeling particularly adventurous.
    • uBlue's base images; Aurora, Bazzite and Bluefin are built from these. These are vanilla images with only hardware enablement, codecs, other RPM Fusion goodies and more that anyone installing Fedora Atomic would want on their systems anyways.
    • Create your own; See this link if you know how to write containerfiles. See this link if you prefer yaml (.yml to be more precise) instead. The previous links were more focused on Fedora Atomic, this link offers Vanilla OS' answer.

    Other distros found on lists like this one didn't make the cut for various reasons; sometimes it's just because I haven't heard enough of it.

    Do I need to shift my expectations of an immutable distro even more?

    Uhmm..., I don't know exactly what your expectations are 😜.

    FWIW, from what I gather, either (something based on) Fedora Atomic or Vanilla OS should be right up your alley.

  • Quick Question for which one to pick
  • Still getting the hang of Ubuntu, but I see a lot of comments on different posts in which a majority of them point to using Mint instead.

    Ubuntu should be okay; it's not necessarily a bad pick. However, the community has been upset with some of its past decisions and (more recently) the implementation of its vision, i.e. their enforcement of Snaps. This has eventually led to our current situation in which it has become popular to hate on Ubuntu.

    Would the best recommendation, be to switch to Mint from Ubuntu?

    Personally, I've stopped recommending beginners to Ubuntu. This is primarily for how the above mentioned enforcement has lead to broken unintuitive interactions. However, if you've already started using it and are content with what you have, then the negative sentiment by itself shouldn't warrant a switch.

    Though, granted, (I think) most Linux users have indulged in distro hopping; some have even made it their hobbies. So you shouldn't feel bad about switching either. Though I implore you to practice best practices while at it:

    • Keep using your home base until you're certain of the switch.
    • Don't nuke your home base to experience another distro. Make ample use of live USBs, VMs and dual booting instead.
    • Try to understand the difference between the fundaments and the auxiliary when experiencing new distros; i.e., what is and isn't possible for you to import to your home base without outright switching.
  • Best Distro
  • Best Distro

    Needs dictate preferences. An objective assessment isn't possible even on an individual level, as circumstances change over time. Linux Mint serves as a common starting point, with many users eventually 'graduating' to other distributions. The opposite is also true; many eventually return to low-maintenance distros like Linux Mint, preferring something that 'just works'.

    I’m very curious of which distro users loves the most that they have it on their daily hardware?

    I daily drive secureblue.

  • Seeking advice: Privacy-focused media box with Android app support
  • Is there a specific android app you need?

    Currently, there are already a couple I need beyond future-proofing.

    https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/

    Thanks for mentioning this! While I've had some experience with Waydroid in the past, this is completely new to me. Looking at it briefly, it seems to operate differently than Waydroid's full Android emulation approach. Instead, it works as a translation layer (like Wine), making it both more efficient and potentially better integrated with Linux. Is this a correct assessment?

    Despite having researched Android on Linux solutions before, I hadn't come across this one. Typically, these discussions only mention Anbox or Waydroid.

  • Fedora KDE Desktop promoted to an Edition, same as Fedora Workstation
  • Even though I'm a huge GNOME shill, I can't help but admire the allure that KDE Plasma offers to those yearning for a traditional desktop experience and (above all) its wealth of customization options readily available by default; truly embodying the FOSS spirit of user choice and freedom.

    Hopefully this change will enable KDE to become the best version of itself!

  • Fedora KDE Desktop promoted to an Edition, same as Fedora Workstation
  • Even though I'm a huge GNOME shill, I can't help but admire the allure that KDE Plasma offers to those yearning for a traditional desktop experience and (above all) its wealth of customization options readily available by default; truly embodying the FOSS spirit of user choice and freedom.

  • Seeking advice: Privacy-focused media box with Android app support
  • Thank you for mentioning Jellyfin. However, unfortunately, I do need support for Android apps. That's simply nonnegotiable. Mind you; I'm well aware of the capabilities of Jellyfin. But there are simply things it can't do...

  • Seeking advice: Privacy-focused media box with Android app support

    Greetings fellow privacy enthusiasts!

    I'm searching for a privacy-respecting media box that can run Android apps. The streaming device market features options like Shield TV, Chromecast and various Amlogic boxes. However, finding one that truly embraces FOSS principles while meeting essential needs has proven challenging.

    Essential requirements:

    • Android app compatibility - specifically need to run certain apps
    • Strong privacy and security features
    • Reliable, long-term software support (I've grown weary of devices becoming obsolete within 2-3 years)
    • Budget-conscious: Aiming for under 150€, though I'm willing to invest appropriately for the right solution
    • Willing to invest significant time in initial setup, but afterwards it should "just work" with minimal maintenance
    • Timely and automatic security updates (ideally close to upstream releases)

    My initial research suggests two potential approaches, though I'm not entirely certain about all implications:

    1. Mainstream devices (like Nvidia Shield) that can be degoogled through ADB commands
    2. Devices that are officially supported by LineageOS

    While both paths seem promising, each raises certain concerns. For instance, degoogling might require ongoing maintenance, and running LineageOS could mean losing some device-specific functionality (as is the case with Shield).

    The Raspberry Pi, with its open-source foundation and community-driven LineageOS development, seems interesting, though the lack of institutional backing raises some concerns about long-term reliability.

    I'm still learning about the security implications of these choices. While I understand that phones running LineageOS don't match GrapheneOS's security standards, I'm uncertain how these considerations translate to a media box environment.

    I'm open to exploring:

    • Custom firmware solutions
    • Alternative hardware platforms
    • Creative, FOSS-friendly approaches that preserve privacy while maintaining Android compatibility

    Has anyone in the community successfully navigated these choices? Your experiences and insights would be invaluable, particularly regarding long-term viability and security considerations.

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