henchmannumber3 @ henchmannumber3 @lemmy.world

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Oh no, a conservative boomer-grade insult! Should I get off your lawn too? Pull myself up by my own bootstraps? Invest in plastics?

What is being discussed here is that she voted for military aid by voting against MTG's amendment that would have blocked $500M of military aid.

False. She voted against an amendment by MTG that had no chance of passing and voting for or against it was not voting for military aid for Israel. It was a waste of time and a political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist. The aid was provided by the bill already. Voting against the bill is how you vote against the aid to Israel. And that's what she did. Discussing the amendment that had no chance of passing is like blaming someone for what they did in a dream you had about them.

Iron Dome protects Israel as it invades its neighbours and commits a genocide. It's that simple.

No, it protects Israel regardless of whether Israel is committing genocide. But all of that is beside the point.

You are defending a vote against stripping iron dome funding,

I'm not defending the vote so much as pointing out that it was a meaningless vote. There's nothing to defend or attack because the amendment is a non-issue. It was a meaningless political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist.

accusing others of being in favour of killing civilians

Favour? As in British or Australian English? You're not an American voter? This seems like a pointless discussion then.

whilst trying to claim you also don't support funding Israel.

I don't support funding for Israel. It's an apartheid state and has committed genocidal war crimes.

You can't have it both ways.

You can if you see the nuance and not just look at everything like it's just so simple based on your first gut reaction.

You support killing of civilians with your own stupid fucking rhetoric,

No, I don't. Quote me where I said I want civilians killed.

but you want to dance around the issue and pretend you aren't doing what you are in fact doing.

You're getting caught up in side issues. The issue is AOC voted against funding genocide in Israel. People are claiming she funded genocide by Israel. That is a provably false claim. It is a lie. Arguing over the amendment vote that didn't matter is a distraction.

You are genuinely a fucking moron. I said nothing about Dresden or dropping nukes.

You were discussing the deaths of civilians. Those are historical events relevant to that discussion. Also, there's no need for the ad hominems and name-calling.

You are literally advocating for sending AA guns to Hitler by equating and reducing all forms of military response as being one and the same as mass murder of civilians to suggest it's legitimate to support funding for the Iron Dome as "defensive".

I'm literally not. I was responding to your meaningless points that don't matter because you brought them up, but you haven't thought through all the implications. AA guns shoot down planes that have human beings in them. They aren't the same as missiles that only shoot down other missiles.

All of these discussions about AA guns and Russian civilians are just bad analogies that ignore the context and the nuance. We can continue to discuss them if you like, but they have no bearing on whether the amendment vote was ever possibly going to have any functional or practical effect whatsoever.

If MTG brought up an amendment that said everyone gets to live forever and AOC voted against it, would you claim AOC is pro-death or would you recognize that MTG's proposal was a useless measure that shouldn't be taken seriously?

But honestly, I don't care. If you're not an American voter, as I suspect you aren't, there's no value in convincing you of anything.

It's a literal fact. She voted nay on the bill. You've literally posted screenshots of her post citing the voting record. You keep pretending that everything you reference and link to says something different than it actually says.

You did. Are you not tracking the thread?

That AOC didn't vote for funding genocide, a fact you continue to ignore.

Something something accusation is a confession.

Your entire position is based on bad faith. You claim things your own sources contradict. You claim things not in evidence. You literally quoted AOC and claimed she said the opposite of what she said.

Except you literally posted a statement that she doesn't support genocide. You're contradicting your own narrative.

Comparing AOC to Kamala is a nice touch. That lack of nuance will definitely push the electorate to the left in the primaries.

The statement you cited literally contradicts your claims. You said she funded genocide. The statement from the DSA literally said: "...the Congresswoman voted against the defense appropriations bill itself, voting against funding for the imperialist military-industrial complex and the Israeli genocide..."

A statement that agrees she didn't fund genocide, contrary to your false claims.

Would you support funding an iron dome for Russia against Ukraine?

I wouldn't personally support funding anything in Russia or Israel.

A gun doesn't stop being a weapon because you used it in self defence, idiot.

A gun is an offensive weapon. It's not useful for self defense. You can't shoot bullets out of the air easily. There's no need for useless name-calling.

By funding arms to Israel

Except she voted against said funding by voting against the bill.

to protect it from consequences of committing a genocide

The iron dome existed before the current genocide. But you're literally saying that civilians in Israel should die because the people in control of the government and military are committing genocide. That's not justice. That's advocating for murder as a form of revenge on a group when everyone in the group is not responsible for the preceding injustice. You're applying the same logic as conservatives who pretend every Palestinian is a terrorist.

and invading and bombing multiple neighbours, which then allows it to act with further impunity to keep doing what it's doing.

I'd be interested in defending Israel entirely. The conservatives in the majority in Congress will not allow that to happen. However AOC voted or even if she abstained, the results would not be any different.

She straight up declared anyone who voted for it effectively a nazi. She called Tlaib and Omar nazis.

She literally didn't say that. If she did, you could quote her saying "Tlaib and Omar are Nazis." You're assigning that meaning to her words and then getting upset at your own interpretation.

You're misusing the term straw man. A straw man is when you're arguing against something someone else has not asserted, pretending that it's actually what they said. You have actually said she has voted to fund genocide when she actually voted against said funding and spoken out directly against genocide. You have intentionally chosen to ignore her actual actions and her words that contradict the narrative you're pushing. You are pushing a straw man, ironically enough.

Yes, the political stunt of an amendment that had no chance of passing, the one proposed by MTG of all people. Voting for or against an amendment to a bill that you also vote against is irrelevant. The bill provides funding to Israel. She voted against the bill. She voted against the funding.

Except AOC actually voted against the funding bill. All this is about a meaningless political stunt of a doomed amendment put forth by a racist conspiracy theorist conservative (MTG).

I did. You apparently didn't.

"I remain focused on cutting the flow of munitions that are being used to perpetuate the genocide in Gaza."

What part of that says "I support genocide" to you? What part of that says "I support funding genocide" to you?

You must intentionally ignore her actual words to believe she intends something else.