Unruffled [they/them] @ Flatworm7591 @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Trans people can be harmful trolls as well. It's not a free pass to make malicious accusations and is not the reason she was banned. She was banned for making malicious accusations over what was clearly an anti-tankie post and refusing to withdraw them. Marcie has weaponised her identity in order to cause harm to others. If she gets away with doing this to me, an instance admin as you pointed out, then that raises significant concerns for me about who she is going to target for character assassination next.

Even if this vote doesn't go Marcie's way, I will take into consideration what you and Eevoltic have said and be more thoughtful about such bans in the future, instead of responding in the heat of the moment.

And finally, after considering your comments, I have decided to take the "personal" element out of the equation and withdraw my vote on this topic so it is not a factor in the decision making.

I feel i've been quite honest and open about this whole thing and provided as much detail as is needed for someone to make up their minds at this stage. Some/most folks think it's was a reasonable call and some don't. I'm committed to accept the outcome of the vote, but not to get into a protracted discussion about it.

Your editing kind of removed all the context from the quoted sentence, so I feel like I'm being straw-manned a bit here because you're responding to your own edit.

i figured the punchline would come eventually

The original comment was as follows:

PSA: Any trans people looking for a non-toxic instance would do well to consider !trans@lemmy.blahaj.zone or another trans-friendly community. While Hexbear claims to be trans-friendly, they don't cater to western progressives at all, so you better be willing to embrace their whole marxist/leninist tankie schtick.

Also note that the charts in this post are essentially meaningless, as this wasn't in any way a statistical random sample of users, and this was even acknowledged by the original poster on Hexbear. Due to self-selection bias (this survey was conducted in their trans community, after all) you cannot make any meaningful inferences about the proportion of trans people on Hexbear as a whole. It may well be representative of the subscribers to their trans community though.

I acknowledge I probably shouldn't have posted it in the first place, it was a bit of a troll. For context we were having some inter-instance drama at the time. But to be clear there's absolutely nothing there that is transphobic, though I do regret posting it now.

This is what I got in response:

I got a short Rule 1 ban from Dessalines and that was that, or so I thought. Two months later, Marcie takes over the community, still holding a grudge. Then trawls though the modlog looking to conduct a "purge" of "transphobes". And now here we are.

Edit: Around the same time she labelled the ml admin nutomic transphobic and demanded he step down, and then encouraged all the trans users on ml to migrate to hexbear because it was a "safer space".... so you know, it was a weird time lol.

Key few paragraphs below:

But the two groups also want different things. The nationalist right wants an economy that prioritizes and assists American-born families (specifically, traditional nuclear ones), sometimes at the expense of business interests; the tech right wants a deregulated economy that bolsters its bottom line. The nationalist right wants to stop almost all immigration; the tech right wants to bring in immigrant workers as it pleases. The nationalist right wants to return America to a pre-internet era that it perceives as stable and prosperous; the tech right wants to usher in a bold, globally focused new economy.

Already, the cracks have started to show. Last month, Trump’s pick of the Silicon Valley venture capitalist Sriram Krishnan as an AI adviser led to a bitter and very public spat between the two camps over visas for highly skilled immigrants. (“FUCK YOURSELF in the face,” Musk at one point told his critics on the right.) At the time, I argued that the MAGA honeymoon is over. The disagreements have only intensified. Last week, after former President Joe Biden used his farewell speech to warn about the influence of Silicon Valley oligarchs and the “tech industrial complex,” the white-nationalist influencer Nick Fuentes posted on X that “Biden is right.” Bannon in particular has not relented: Earlier this month, he told an Italian newspaper that Musk is a “truly evil person” and that would get the billionaire “kicked out” of Trump’s orbit by Inauguration Day. (Considering that Musk is reportedly getting an office in the West Wing, Bannon does not seem to have been successful in that quest.) In an interview with my colleagues Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer, Bannon described the tech titans as “nerds” whom Trump was humiliating. Seeing them on Inauguration Day was “like walking into Teddy Roosevelt’s lodge and seeing the mounted heads of all the big game he shot,” Bannon said.

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We already can guess how this will end. During his first administration, despite making populist promises on the campaign trail, Trump eventually sided with the wealthy. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist during the start of his first term, pushed for tax hikes on the wealthy. Seven months into his presidency, Trump fired him, and then proceeded to pass tax cuts. In his new administration, the nationalist right will certainly make gains—it is thrilled with Trump’s moves around birthright citizenship and his pledge to push forward with mass deportations. But if it’s ever in conflict with what Trump’s rich advisers in the tech world want, good luck.

Remember, it was Zuckerberg, Bezos, and Musk who sat on the dais at Trump’s inauguration. Bannon, Keeperman, and Kirk were nowhere in sight.

i think patriots should get 10 x voting power

Human decency.

This is nothing, wait until the Trump tariffs kick in and everything gets more expensive.

Somebody certainly is.

YDI.

Sure I'll switch it over.

Edit: switched

Imo Marcie is a bad actor who deserves the ban. This situation arose because Marcie decided to trawl through a bunch of old modlogs to conduct a "purge" of users who she accused of being transphobic in the modlog.

In my case, she found a removed post of mine encouraging non-tankie trans folk to consider blajah as an option instead of hexbear. Apparently that's "transphobic" and not anti-tankie?

Marcie has had months to reverse this decision or to adjust the modlog reason accordingly but has not done so. Personally, I feel that a tankie maliciously slandering people with false accusations doesnt make for a productive member of our community, so I stand by my decision to ban her. Tankies weaponising trans issues to score points against other instances is not acceptable.

If Marcie is wiilling to change the ban reason to something more appropriate then sure, I'm fine with reversing it. I don't care about the ban, I care about the ban reason, which is inaccurate and unjust.

Edit: We also have a matrix appeals channel listed in the sidebar that is probably more appropriate for this type of thing, to be honest, rather than dredging up old instance dramas here.

Are they both supposed to be the exact same repack? I looked at your previous post and a virustotal result like that can be quite normal for certain types of patchers. But it could be a virus (you never know) so if you have the option of a cleaner looking repack then I'd say go for that one!

I think this comment is worthy of some more discussion here. Here's a screenshot of one of gazby's links below because I think it's good for context:

I agree it is a bit of a slippery slope and we need to be able to satisfactorily answer those types of questions. My initial responses below:

If this is about Leon, as stated in the OP, what makes Xitter deserving of a block, but not SpaceX or Tesla?

I do think Xitter is more worthy of a block relative to the others because it's literally become a right wing disinformation channel. What would it mean to block Tesla or SpaceX? They don't publish much content anyway and are not overtly political (apart from funding Musk).

What amount of engagement will X be denied in reality (i.e. does this block achieve the intended effect)? Especially now that every tweet screenshot we see will have to be independently verified by ourselves…

Probably not a great deal as I mainly see screenshots nowadays already, so it's more symbolic for sure.

If the slope slips (like here, and here, and here, for example) where is the line drawn? Will we proceed to ban Alphabet and Amazon properties too?

This is more concerning to me than the other questions. We definitely shouldn't start trying to ban everything we find distasteful, so I share your concern about having a clear line. For me personally, I draw the line at overt displays of Nazism and Xitter seems like an appropriate thing to boycott given its relationship to Musk. But I'll acknowledge it's more of a gut reaction than a carefully planned strategy :)

Here you go, and thanks!

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mom's meth recipe? lmao but I don't think it qualifies as a meme.

I think we'll keep it open for a few days, no rush.

Awesome :)

Hmm, I get where you are coming from db0, but tbh I have a couple of folks who mod communities on this instance who I vouched for, but who mainly use external accounts. I think they both have local accounts too though, so in this particular case it wouldn't be a problem to switch the vouch over to their local accounts.

In any case these folks are, to my mind at least, important instance stakeholders because they each spend time and effort posting content and moderating directly on our instance. I think in the fediverse the idea of who is an "outsider" and who is an "insider" is perhaps a bit more nuanced than just where they registered their account. i.e., some "outsiders" contribute a lot more time and effort to the instance than casual local users who barely ever post anything.

Just some food for thought as we sail along :)