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It's really sad when no one is saying "just talk" 😂

Dunno about this particular area of PA, but the areas I am familiar with... the answer is meth.

What can be done? Smarter people can probably list plenty of things. But in the end, it's a constant race trying to out compete. And with LLMs/AI, you can literally train it on the system you want it to overcome with that express purpose and let it work out the "how" and you're back to square one again.

I think it can best be put in song

Or put another way: how do you make a bear proof trashcan that can defeat a bear but not the dumbest of humans?

It's also literally the motto for the Pontiac Grand Prix.

"Wider is better"

Yeah, but what does matter is that I'm not talking specifically about the platforms, but the people running it and contributing. You've completely missed the point in a very human way, demonstrating one of the reasons why it's people at the core of the problem.

That's for perfecting illustrating what I'm describing. You think "this is it, this is the thing that's gonna allow humanity to become enlightened!". You're hung up on the product like a bunch of other people, and not looking at the consumer. Federation won't do shit to change human nature. That's it's own thing. Federation is just another social media tool in an already pretty large toolbox. You gotta teach humanity to work together, not just throw another platform at them and think that's the fix.

I never said federation was in itself bad. People keep getting hung up on that and nitpicking. Just saying that it's not the solution to humanities core problems that arise from our own instincts and behaviours. And that it won't spur any revolution. It might be a tool used by the revolution, but it, in itself, will never be the revolution. People will be the revolution.

All the people debating me on Mbins history and various software are not getting the point: PEOPLE couldn't agree on how to run the fediverse, splintering it into numerous groups(for better or worse). These same people won't agree on the causes or solutions necessary for a massive cultural revolution as well.

To put it another way: Xkcd comic on standards

The fediverse wasn't the solution to humanities problems. It was just attempt #284747737 or whatever. It was a bunch of high ideals about "if we give the power back to the people, this time it will be different!" while completely forgetting that reddit mods were just average people too until they became powermods and that whole system got corrupted.

The fediverse will never bring about the revolution. The only thing that can and will is the will of the people.

It's named Mbin after Melroy. Dude filled Lemmy and Kbin with bitching posts for months. First it was the instance he worked on not listening to him so he started his own. Then it was people not joining his instance and only the "popular" ones. Then he got Kbin to agreee to let him work on the project and shit on Lemmy saying Kbin was the real future. But when that didn't go his way either, he made Mbin while shitting on Kbin. I am well aware of the massive ego behind Mbins creation and it is a PERFECT example of "fuck you, I'll make my own".

ETA: oh yeah, and the time when he was supposedly a Lemmy developer too... Who left on bad terms.

Seriously, check the guys resume. He's been supposedly attached to almost every federation project and has left all of them on bad terms when things didn't go his way. Each and every time was "it's not going the direction I want, so I'm starting a new version". The exact point about splintering communities from my OG comment.

This is EXACTLY what will happen. Federation will just mean "fuck you, I'll go make my own instance since you don't 100% agree with me" creating splintered echo chambers that accomplish nothing because they fundamentally lack the ability to work with others. Federation will absolutely not lead the rebellion.

Just look how many Lemmy varients there already are. In the first few months we already had Kbin, Mastadon, Lemmy(and all of it's instance variations) and then Kbin even split and also became Mbin as well(which was literally "I don't like how they're running Kbin and they won't do what I want, so I'm starting my own" by user Melroy). Remember how the first drama was "which instances should we block on our instance?" on pretty much every single location? How everyone quickly set out to make a name for themselves by which communities they filtered out? How we didn't even make it a month before instances were defederating each other?

Time and time again humans blame the tools they use instead of reflecting and seeing that the tool wasn't the cause, humanity is. This is how humanity acts. We're tribal by nature. This is what we do. You're not gonna just fix that with some new software. It'll take cultural change on a grand scale.

What the fuck are you on? I'm mad at the Dems for refusing to play the game properly and actually gain wins.

Shut the fuck up with your psychobabble.

So Dems don't turnout to vote and this is the Republican propaganda machines fault? The day the Dems actually take accountability for their continual fuckups is the day I might vote for them again.

I was really hoping this sentiment would take hold the first time Trump won and it would awaken people to the boiling pot mass charade we are in.

It did not.

I do not have much hope for this time around.

Name a single election topic you know about that's not US. I'll wait.

Any meme community. Easy example. Are you even trying?

If you remind me later - I have to get ready for work soon - I'll help you if you want. Its fairly easy. Easier than a printer, so you're already qualified lol

"Too much off topic discussion or discussion in one topic that stifles other conversations"

Better?

Exactly this. And if you point it out, you'll get all these reasons why it was impossible for Dems because of X, Y and Z, but deathly silence when it comes to "well but why were the Rs able to accomplish so much"? They're managing to get people into office and do things while the Dems constantly flounder - which leads to even worse election results as constituents lose more faith in their ability to lead.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Dems are ineffectual, so they struggle to win elections, so they struggle to have the power to do anything, thus looking like continued failures and ensuring more losses down the line.

The whole party needs to be severely gutted and reborn. Or a third party needs to rise up and start speaking for the average progressive voice that's not being heard anymore.

Be the change you want to see then. You can make that community. I mean this in a supportive way. Go for it!

Interesting how the save now feature was broken until right up until the US election. Makes it easier to edit news articles on the fly without leaving a trail. Could be a motive for who was behind it - but I'm just speculating.

And a huge amount of items are "3D print this". This was disappointing. It's basically just a curated printables list. The stuff listed looked really well designed, but I was hoping for more of a "here's simple machines and tools to build when you don't have access to better equipment"