i've had a really wonderful time with you all, i've learned a lot discussing and debating about different things, I was never expecting I'd be treated this well in such a place, so I really appreciate it

sadly today I feel really depressed and lonely so I probably wont reply to anything I've been sent, still I appreciate it and I'll try to look at it when i feel a little better

I can confirm this, I was watching the debates without engaging in them until my instance defederated this place, and I was left curious enough to make an account here

I guess that's true

Crimea is mostly Russian though, from what I understand thanks to centuries of colonization and a couple Tatar expulsions across Russian history, so I'm not sure if they'd behave much the same in a majority Ukranian area

If there is a legit vote on if they want to be part of Russia or not, like everyone makes sure Russia can't interfere with the vote in any way, and the regions still vote to stay a part of Russia, I would respect that

I think you're mostly right, thank you for the explanation

I am really sorry to hear about your family, and I can see why you'd resent Ukraine so much for doing such awful things

I can see your point more clearly and I honestly can't think of anything to argue against you... I guess the only thing I can say is, Russia doesn't have a history of being very nice to its minorities, and all the Ukranians living in annexed territory will probably become second class citizens, I don't really think their lives would be much better, most would probably try to flee and only those who failed to or were pro-Russia before the war would stay

I don't really have a way to verify if all of what you said about Ukraine is true, but if it is true, then I think you're mostly right

I just don't really see why Russia is much better than the US, they're both capitalist olligarchies, and what Russia hasn't done that the US has is more out of a lack of power to do so than any ideological refusal, the world under Russia wouldn't really be any better to me, especially not for all the Ukranians that would be forced to become refugees or live under the annexed territories, Russia doesn't have a history of being particularly nice to their minorities after all

I do agree that if Ukraine gets its way leftism in Ukraine will be mostly dead, though it may resurface if the living conditions are really awful after the war which they most certainly will be, I don't really know much to make a reasonable guess

A slightly unrelated question, is China really socialist to you?

I guess I see where you're going tactics-wise but they didn't just occupy, they straight up want to annex all of the land they took, and they would have probably also annexed kherson and kharkiv if they didn't retake them first. And I don't think it's right to blame them for resisting that, given how crippling losing all of that land would be, and how many Ukranians that don't want to be a part of Russia will lose their homes or become second class citizens if Russia gets their way

I think I mostly agree with you, and once again thank you for being patient with me and explaining your point of view kindly

I just mean I don't really see how them being more powerful will benefit anyone more than the status quo, nor why that would make so much death and suffering worth

I honestly genuinely don't know

I don't really know how to verify if what you're saying is true, so sadly there's not much I can argue... I will say Russia isn't only occupying or does only want to annex the Donbas, they want almost the entire south of Ukraine

I'm not a big fan of the US and NATO myself and they meddled in my country too... I just don't really see how Russia is any more preferrable as a hegemon or why innocent people deserve to die and suffer in order for this to happen when, realistically speaking it will only be an annoying inconvenience to them

Why?

I think a movie that challenges the mind-implanted narrative about the US and the nukes is already the absolute most we could ever expect from a big hit hollywood movie

If they don't seriously win I don't think Ukraine can keep the no concession stance for much longer. But of course so many lives will be wasted until that point... Many of which are conscripts.

I really hate that there isn't an easy solution to this, war really sucks. Thank you for being patient and respectful with me though.

Ultimately, I just don't trust the same politicians and media that lied us into Iraq to present an honest account of things, or to have the interests of the people at heart.

You are definitely completely right on this. I've been hesitant to believe all the horror stories and narratives they've been spewing, but at the same time I don't think we should be any more favorable to what Russia says...

I think Finland was only really able to pull that off precisely because they resisted a Soviet invasion really well though, in comparison what Russia would be able to take from Ukraine would be far larger and more devastating, it's almost the entire south of the country... The devastation is already immense and it'd only get worse. Plus if Ukraine is banned from accepting western aid in recovering, then they can only really turn to Russia, so the end result isn't really neutral at all... I don't think they ever had the economy to recover from this alone, much less losing so much land and people

However, the war could be ended today on the negotiation table, or it could be ended 12 months later at the negotiation table and the only significant change will be that even more Ukrainians have lost their homes.

That is definitely true when you put it like that... War really sucks...

Well... Russia wants to annex far more than just the Donbass, basically all of the south. Less lives would be lost short term, but long term they'd be just as crippled and if they lose they'd be forced to not accept aid or join any spheres other than Russia's... so they'd either have to become another Belarus or recover all on their own, and without any more protection Russia would be allowed to interfere all they want

Also there are a lot of Ukranians in what Russia wants to annex that do not want to be a part of Russia, who also doesn't have a history of treating ethnic minorities very well... They'd get the choice to leave their homes and become refugees or become second class citizens

I understand your point but why do you think losing the war would be less crippling for them?

I think I get your point, thank you for explaining

I'm concerned about the long term of the result you'd want though... from what I understand most Ukranians don't want to be part of Russia, and they don't want to annex only the majority russian speaking regions - I don't want all the people living there to become second class citizens or be forced to leave their homes and become refugees

Also, do you think there's a way for Ukraine to be truly neutral? Wouldn't they just be dragged into Russia's sphere of influence if they can't "join the west" instead? After all no more protection would just open them up to further interventions, right?