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Why are our enemies so pathetic and stupid when we're so handsome and smart?

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  • In my skim of the two posts I didn't get to any suggestion of "used to be favorable, then realized they're led by duplicitous misanthropes" as a pathway.

    • Zuckerberg ordered Snapchat to literally man-in-the-middle attack customers

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  • So are we on the precipice of the worlds largest lawsuit from Snap or do they have an interest in letting this slide?

    • History of (extremely predictable) failures catching up to you? Quick, write a book!

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  • Using Firefox Focus as default mobile browser also handy for this

    • the [simulated] are a convenient group of people to advocate for

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  • Short answer: "majority" is hyperbolic, sure. But it is an elite conviction espoused by leading lights like Nick Beckstead. You say the math is "basically always" based on flesh and blood humans but when the exception is the ur-texts of the philosophy, counting statistics may be insufficient. You can't really get more inner sanctum than Beckstead.

    Hell, even 80000 hours (an org meant to be a legible and appealing gateway to EA) has openly grappled with whether global health should be deprioritized in favor of so-called suffering-risks, exemplified by that episode of Black Mirror where Don Draper indefinitely tortures a digital clone of a woman into subjugation. I can't find the original post, formerly linked to from their home page, but they do still link to this talk presenting that original scenario as a grave issue demanding present-day attention.

    • the [simulated] are a convenient group of people to advocate for

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  • less than 1%...on other long-term...which presumably includes simulated humans.

    Oh it's way more than this. The linked stats are already way out of date, but even in 2019 you can see existential risk rapidly accelerating as a cause, and as you admit much moreso with the hardcore EA set.

    As for what simulated humans have to do with existential risk, you have to look to their utility functions: they explicitly weigh the future pleasure of these now-hypothetical simulations as outweighing the suffering of any and all present or future flesh bags.

    • the [simulated] are a convenient group of people to advocate for

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  • Perhaps present-day humans are more obviously aided by questioning literally any aspect of hyper-capital. Better to cast out to the far future and insist (without any real basis) that fellating billionaires is the best course.

    • the [simulated] are a convenient group of people to advocate for

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  • Perhaps the beneficiaries of the most efficient public health interventions (the previous focus of the movement) are somehow more difficult for them to identify with...

    • meme stocks: blaming short sellers for your scam

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  • That was a fun little read