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  • When did Democrats treat Republicans harshly? The problem is that they don’t, they’re spineless bastards who would rather take one step towards fascism than two steps towards progress

    I get so 'fing sick of this "we play too nice it's why we lose" BS. And yes - BOTH SIDES do that.

  • I remember partitioned systems being a big thing in like the '90s '00s since those were the days you would pour $$$$ into large systems. But I thought the "cattle not pets" movement did away with that? Are we back to the days of "big iron"?

  • Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.

    This is a major part of the problem we're in. And I'm sorry but I'm going to "both sides" a bit because there is plenty of blame to toss around.

    Democrats and Republicans have both been upping the rhetoric for decades, describing their political opponents in harsher and scarier terms. Most politicians did so understanding that it was all basically just "campaign talk" and not really true. But it gets votes so you do it. You can see this when you see retired politicians giving interviews where their language is much softer and reasonable than when they were in office.

    Republicans turned it up to 11 quicker than Democrats though - and Donald Trump and his followers actually believed the rhetoric rather than understanding that it was just campaign BS.

  • I hear ya. I have actually been to Spain BTW (and no, not just Barcelona) and it's a beautiful country with a rich history. We certainly don't learn much about Spain in the US (beyond "age of sail" type stuff) so your sensitivity is rather justified. What I learned there about the civil war, Franco, etc. was eye-opening. But seems I could use a refresher. ;-)

  • Did you not read my comment?

    Yes I did - and you're making excellent points - don't do this though. You want to harden somebody against you? You say shit like this.

    My point stands though. Fascism was fought predominantly by Communist and Anarchist leadership. China against fascist Japan, Cuban revolutionaries against fascist dictator Batista, Spanish Republican government in the Spanish civil war… Whereas it was capitalist countries funding fascist coups all over the world such as that of Augusto Pinochet in Chile against socialdemocrat Allende, the Iranian coup against socialist-aligned Mosaddeq…

    I'll accept your argument.

  • 25+ million Soviet people died in the struggle against fascism, resulting in 80% of the total Nazi casualties being in the eastern front. Please don’t insult the memory of the heroes who died saving Europe from fascism.

    I'm not trying to minimize anything here. The Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact with Germany and they didn't "fight against fascism" until Germany invaded. Meaning "there being Nazis" wasn't the trigger of that fighting, it was "Germany invaded us". But then sure, it was "fighting against fascism" because it was "fascists" invading. But it could have been anyone invading.

    It's a subtle distinction I'm making.

    Also, I’m a Spaniard. Anarchists in Spain organized and fought fascism in the Spanish civil war, with Soviet assistance too back in 1936-1939. If you’re not sure who fought fascism, I urge you to educate yourself in communist/anarchist movements.

    This is fair - I was thinking mostly of the main Axis/Allies conflict. I'm also over-simplifying a bit in that I'm focusing mostly on leadership. I understand that there were grassroots efforts. And Spain definitely had its own fascism problem where the people did fight directly against fascism.

    Though as an aside: I can think of no more of an obnoxious phrase than "educate yourself". 🙄

  • I'm not sure anyone really fought it last time. The wars didn't start until Germany started invading other nations which is what started the shooting.

    The US didn't even enter the war until it was bombed.

    "We fought fascism" is a bit of retroactive justification IMHO. We didn't, we were just defending ourselves from fascists who attacked first.

    If Hitler stayed in Germany... Who knows?

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