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There's some truth to the rejection of NFTs/crypto. I think the current LLM bubble shows tech companies and capital more broadly betting that the economy is functionally post-consumer already. If the people won't accept their designated role I in technocapitalism, then it will simply exclude them. I don't think it can actually work but it's going to be rough seeing how many lives are destroyed in the attempt.

Yeah. I think there's definitely something interesting here, but it's mostly in how badly compromised the final pproduct ends up being in order to support the AI tools.

I'm reminded of the thing that happens to people learning the history of the American Civil War. First, you learn that it was about slavery and emancipation. Then you dig into the reeds and start finding a lot of contemporary evidence that actually there were bigger issues of state's rights or regional versus federal power or whatever at play. And then you keep getting deeper into the reeds and realize that all those other issues and factors were either contributing factors to why slavery was such an important and central issue at the time or were fallout from the decades of fighting about slavery in the legal and legislative systems.

Also you learn about how the existence of stage 2 owes a lot to postbellum revisionism as the men who lost tried to convince themselves and the world that their cause had been for something more than racism and exploitation, even as they supported domestic terror organizations that worked to retrench that same system of racism and exploitation without explicitly being allowed to fucking own human beings.

Like, there's a lot of motivated reasoning required to get to the point of "actually it's all very complicated" and not think past that into "because they're trying to make a smokescreen around a genocide".

That's how I remember it too. Also the context about conserving N95 masks always feels like it gets lost. Like, predictably so and I think there's definitely room to criticize the CDC's messaging and handling there, but the actual facts here aren't as absurd as the current fight would imply. The argument was:

1. With the small droplet size, most basic fabric masks offer very limited protection, if any.
2. The masks that are effective, like N95 masks, are only available in very limited quantities.
3. If everyone panic-buys N95 the way they did toilet paper it will mean that the people who are least able to avoid exposure i.e. doctors and medical frontliners are at best going to wildly overpay and at worst won't be able to keep supplied.
4. Therefore, most people shouldn't worry about masking at this stage, and focus on other measures like social distancing and staying the fuck home.

I think later research cast some doubt on point 1, but 2-4 are still pretty solid given the circumstances that we (collectively) found ourselves in.

The on-camera duo are exempt for obvious reasons, but they've definitely hit at least one of their mods. Before The Wheel was implemented I seem to remember they even specifically targeted them sometimes for the joke.

I'm reminded of the comedy/gaming stream that I watch that opens every episode with banning a random member of chat based on a spin of the wheel. It certainly lends the community a certain flavor, even if it is more "jingly keys" rather than "strong community."

It's kind of a missed opportunity too, what with how heavily the OG Persians feature in the early chapters of the racist "clash of civilizations" narrative.

You could try getting laid off, scrambling for a year trying to get back into a tech position, start delivering Amazon packages to make ends meet, and despair at the prospect of reskilling in this economy. I... would not recommend it.

It looks like there are a weirdly large number of medical technician jobs opening up? I wonder if they're ahead of the curve on the AI hype cycle.

1. Replace humans with AI
2. Learn that AI can't do the job well
3. Frantically try to replace 2-5 years of lost training time

I've seen it pick up lately, particularly in non-sneer-adjacent spaces, but it's definitely recent and I'm not sure how common it really was, which is a shame because I love it.

Yeah. I think the "uninterested in world building" comment came off harsher than I meant it. Not every fantasy author is going to be Tolkien and exhaustively craft the mythologies, languages, and cultures that make up their secondary world ahead of time. That kind of extensive detail should be able to answer at least some of the kind of questions Yud brings up here, even if they're not relevant to the narrative. HP is more interested in getting into the action of the scene rather than the overarching design of the world, and so the world building plays out the same way. We learn about the kinds of snacks available on the train or the specific wand motions Harry practices in charms class, but not the details of how space folds around platform 9 & 3/4, or through what theoretical underpinnings wizards are able to contradict the otherwise-applicable laws of physics.

My biggest point of disagreement with Yud is that this choice isn't actually a weakness of the story, even if it means it doesn't meet this one particular form of scrutiny.

It's definitely a world building exercise, and I think you're really close to the ways that Yud does it badly. Like, the TERF unrelated to the now-passed fabric store is not particularly interested in world building outside of giving the story the appropriate vibe. Her world is absolutely littered with inconsistencies and things that don't really hold together even before you start bringing in the Yuddite ideology and associated models. What a good and interesting writer would do is use that as the jumping-off point. Why don't wizards arbitrage their gold and silver coins? There could be a dozen interesting answers to that question that could be fun to explore or create neat complications for a story. But rather than actually engage with either the setting he's reading or the science he's writing into it, Yud just name-drops it to show how smart he and his friends are compared to this setting.

If only there was some widely-known Rationalist cliche about incredibly small probabilities with absurdly high negative impacts.

Scandals like that of Builder.ai - which should have their own code word, IAJI (It’s Actually Just Indians) - become more and more common[...]

This is just a strictly worse version of David's AGI (A Guy in India) sneer.

It’s history; sometimes stuff just doesn’t happen. And precisely because saying so is less fun than the alternative, some of us have to.

Freddy is clearly gesturing at a critique of a kind of Whig history here, and I fully agree but think his overall implications (at least so far) are off-base. He seems to be arguing that AI-based technological processes are not inevitable and that the political, economic, and social worlds are not actually required by physical necessity to follow the course predicted by its modern prophets of doom. But I think the appropriate followup to this understanding of history is that things, broadly speaking, don't just happen. History is experienced in the active voice, not the passive, and people doing things now is what can shape the kind of future we get. In as much as the Internet was coopted by capitalism and turned into its present form, that should be understood as a consequence of decisions people made at the time. We can understand the reasons for those decisions and why they didn't choose differently to carry us down alternate paths, but that should not deny their agency, lest we lose sight of our own.

Promptfondling really does feel like the dumbest possible middle ground. If you're willing to spend the time and energy learning how to define things with the kind of language and detail that allows a computer to effectively work on them, we already have tools for that: they're called programming languages. Past a certain point trying to optimize your "natural language" prompts to improve your odds from the LLM gacha you're doing the digital equivalent sot trying to speak a foreign language by repeating yourself louder and slower.

I think he pretty clearly wanted to preach rationalism and decided to weld it onto the most popular IP he could find.

There's something particularly galling about "everybody who knows how to access the money got fired". The wholly believable implication that nobody made an active choice to fuck this guy over. Through sheer incompetence that money just vanished into the goddamn ether because God forbid anyone in the modern business or political spaces actually have to take responsibility for their decisions.

Psssh. We all know Ron wasn't a character, because the only people capable of character are smarmy fascists and those capable of becoming smarmy fascists after one points out how their whole life is actually dumb.

Everyone else is just an NPC. You know, like in real life.

It feels very strange to see this kind of statistic get touted, since a 50% success rate would be absolutely unacceptable for one of those software engineers and it's not suggested that if given more time the AI is eventually getting there.

Rather, the usual fail state is to confidently present a plausible-looking product that absolutely fails to do what it was supposed to do, something that would get a human fired so quickly.

I mean, arguably an open FTP server would have been better because how many kids these days could actually use an FTP client?

I don't know. Based on what they're describing I think it would probably fail in the direction of being deeply boring rather than really getting into the wild nonsense that the concept deserves. Now, it may be salvageable with the introduction of some robotic silhouettes, but given these people's penchant for never shutting the hell up even that may not be a good fit.