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Any time the Tzenkethi aren't on screen, the characters should be saying, "where are the Tzenkethi?"

Note: The Tzenkethi will never be on screen.

It's kind of funny that this big reveal happened while Discovery is sitting in the territory of another famously mysterious species, the Tzenkethi.

Understandable, but this is better than your average screenrant content.

It was a pretty big red flag when they announced that every episode this season would be 1701 minutes long...

There was also the stuff in this episode about "two faces," one of which they say they have evolved past (or whatever their phrasing was). The Breen of this time could be a little more complicated than the Breen of the DS9 era. I assume we'll learn more about what that's all about later this season.

Does the problem that Georgiou had due to the drift between the two universes not effect the ship?

Probably not - it sounds like it didn't actually travel through time the way Georgiou did - it just sat derelict in the wormhole for a few hundred years.

I mean, was Burnham so incurious about mirror Spock that she never checked the records?

I don't think that's far-fetched - I probably wouldn't be Space Googling the alternate versions of my loved ones.

As for it being the Enterprise...I guess it's to give us a bit of closure regarding Spock's rebellion. Personally, I think it would've been fun to have seen the modified version of the Defiant that was teased in season one.

I thought that one was...fine. A perfectly acceptable unit of Star Trek.

I probably would have found it more interesting if Moll and L'ak had been the main protagonists of the episode, spending more time with them on the Enterprise in addition to their flashbacks, with Book and Burnham as the antagonists of the story.

On the other hand, I enjoyed Rayner's B plot, so maybe not.

Edit: and pour one out for our man Rhys, famous Constitution class fan who doesn't get to go on the mission to deliver the Enterprise to Federation HQ.

If chronophages are outlawed, only outlaws will have chronophages.

I didn't think it was excessive, but I suppose I've never abandoned a place for thirty years.

It's listed on Amazon.com - do they ship internationally?

He has the Divine Ears, he gets to be captain. He didn't make the rules.

I rewatched "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" last night, and had the same thought.

It probably wouldn't work, because that "secret" was so strongly tied to Burnham's emotional state on the night of that party, but...honestly, that makes me want to see the scene play out even more.

Also, if it’s affecting his DNA, is that a property of his body? He still has his personality in memories from before he spliced tardigrade DNA so it’s not tied to the specific body itself but I thought it would have been hilarious if they went back in time and Stamets is just past Stamets.

I no longer remember why, but I had the impression that the Lorca-era jump was pre-gene splice. But I could be wrong.

Edit: I just remembered - Landry was still alive.

I would have loved to see a quick shot of him waking up in a bar in San Francisco or something while Discovery was under construction just going like “wait what”

The deleted scene we deserve.

It's an interesting sequence - it's similar enough to "Calypso" that I have to assume it's intentional, but also different enough that it doesn't quite line up with what we saw in that episode?

That episode was certainly a marvel of set decoration.

Had they known this was going to be the final season, I wonder if they would have considered more guest stars. Seeing Hannah Cheesman as Airiam again was neat, but a Lorca and/or an Ash Tyler would have been pretty special.

I wonder if the sequence set in a possible future is the closest we're going to get to a "Calypso" tie-in...

That's not nearly enough close-up shots of Rayner...

His description of finding out about Hugh's impending death in season one is pretty rough:

I didn’t know right away [that Hugh would be coming back]. In the first season, I was not a series regular, I was a recurring character. I also had another gig at the time, 13 Reasons Why. Star Trek shot in Toronto and 13 Reasons Why shot in Northern California. I was shooting both at the same time. They called me on my first day of shooting the second season of 13 Reasons Why. I had just gone through makeup, my phone rings, and I see it’s [showrunner] Aaron Harberts. I was like, “Maybe he’s calling to wish me luck on my first day.” He was not. He was calling to tell me that my character on Discovery was going to be killed.

I lost it. I couldn’t even fake it. I tried really hard to keep it together and be professional, but I literally lost it because the character of Hugh had already meant so much to me, and I got to work with my friend Anthony [Rapp]. I had bonded with this cast. I had to shake it off because it was my first day at work on 13 Reasons Why. They had to put my makeup back on because I had ruined it.

This is more of a !quarks!quarks@startrek.website topic, as it's not actually about Star Trek.

You should probably get that looked at.