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  • Again, you ignored all of my points, like GETTING ONE OF MONK'S BEST FEATURES LEVEL EARLY AND IMPROVED. And if you try to play this class as simply Monk it will struggle because Monk is poorly designed and struggles. But again, you have better version of every corresponding Monk ability, on top of other abilities and spelsl that can replace every Monk ability you don't get. In every situation you're more versitile, more pwoerful by simply being a caster AND then you get to outperform the Monk with better versions of its core features.

  • The issue is that usually Casters can do their own thing, even when they go to meele we get something like Bladesinger or Swords Bard, who do thier own things, while Dance Bard literally just gets Monk's features, making it clear it exists to overshadow Monk in particular. If College of Swords Bard was getting Maneuvers I would be saying it overshadows Fighter. And again, this Bard literally gets better version of one of Monk's best features a level early, how can you not take it as spitting in Monk player's face?

    1. They can outdamage the Monk with spells, take Unarmed Fighting, replicate everything Monk can with Spells usually being better (eg. Stunning Strike is outdone by Hold person), then also have spells allowing to do something else on top of outdoing the Monk and they STILL get improved version of one of Monk's better features a level early.
    2. So is the Monk's, they literally got Monk's class feature as a subclass feature. It doesn't matter it is underpowered compared to wearing armor, it is stil lbetter on them than on a Monk, thus invaqlidating the Monk.
  • Here is the core problem with Dance Bard: It invalidates the Monk. For me the whole purpose of this subclass is to bully Monk players by the fact it can do everything Monk can do but better AND gets far more versitality Monk ever had on top of it.. Hell, even some of good Monk features are rendered pathetic and underpowered by this subclass - Evasion went from a consistently good Monk feature to "Bard can get a better version of this a level earlier).I flat out told my players and wrote in survey that if anyone on the table wants to play the Monk, this subclass is instantly banned.

  • Honestly, I don't mind people who hack 5e as long as they're upfront about it (as in, don't invite you for Cyberpunk game only to reveal it's a 5e Cyberpunk hack at character creation). This is a way some people express their creativity. It's kinda like how despite there being other games at the time, hundreds if not thousands game devs started from designing levels for Doom or hacking Doom or converting Doom to new platform. It's now happenning with Skyrim.

    A lot of RPGs started as d&d hacks - Runequest, which lead to Call of Cthulhu, started as "what if we only ruled d10's in d&d". Tunnels & Trolls exists because creator read d&d book and decided to hack the rules to be more for his liking. Warhammer exists because Games Workshop needed a replacement game when losing rights to publish d&d in Britain. Pathfinder is a similiar story, it was just d&d 3.55 (and sucked just like 3.5) before 2nd Edition.

  • All serious tho, one of ideas I know I will never be able to do is to play the same Paladin in 3 succesful campaigns in one setting, first as Oath of Conquest, then Oathbreaker, then Oath of Redemption. I first it's a better growth if there is a transition phase before adopting the Redeption.

  • I am amazed WotC managed to take weakest class in the game and find a way to STRIP ALL GOOD THINGS IT HAD GOING FOR IT! And then, to add insult to injury, they put a Bard subclass whose whole thing is "Be better Monk than the Monk" in the same UA.

    At this point we should just ask them to make Monk a half-caster because that's the only way anyone at WotC will actually care about the class.