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Pigeonholing / steoreotyping people according to an aspect over which they have zero control? Yeah that does sound vaguely unfriendly - just a bit!

It is an age-old question: which is worse, slavery, or death?

In South America, the textile mills ran through slaves at such a rapid pace that they kept having to constantly import new ones from Africa. They would lose not just appendages but whole entire limbs to the machines, and people only have so many of those! Ofc the capitalists could have made improvements to the machines but... why bother, when slaves were fairly cheap?

In North America, working in the cotton fields was much more bearable - an Irish indentured servant might not be able to handle it, but someone with skin adapted to that level of sun had fewer problems with it. Yet, arguably this became even worse than the textile mills, bc it allowed a stable population of the slaves, which led to a generational form of slavery where these were thought of not just as people who were slaves, but as closer to cattle that could be bred as such. The "three fifths of a person" rule is quite illuminating as to how they were thought of: not even merely one notch down, but barely more than half, as in looks like a person bodily (e.g. opposable thumbs) but isn't one, not really.

But now with Globalization and Automation, instead of finding new groups of "other" people (even robots), it will be basically all of us who are fair game to become enslaved. Already we are dividing up into those who show a willingness to exploit others vs. those who will be trampled upon - i.e. the only other option to being a slave is to become a slaver, aka there are far worse things than death:-(. ☠️

Well I cannot argue against Mad Max... I'm too scared to!

You are so very welcome my fellow Lemmy...ite? I dunno what we are called, and at this point I am afraid to ask!:-P

Oh, Lemmyian sounds cool!

On the plus side, now the trauma has expanded beyond mental conditions to include physical aspects such as death of pregnant women as well!

Unfortunately "plus" here means "additionally", as it will continue to grow - now also including potential mothers and fathers who will no longer be able to use IVF due to the latest insanity. Already maternity care for wanted babies has suffered greatly.

Jesus Himself passionately hated religious hypocrites, and the Bible itself, Old and New Testaments alike, says things like "The worker deserves their wages", "Religion that is pure and true is to help those less fortunate", etc. Just like those "patriots" who stormed the USA Capitol on January 6th - citing how they were "defending the Constitution", while actually trying to overthrow it - there is no justification for this even within the very thing those very people point to as having provided their "excuse".

Might does not make Right, although... it might as well I guess, if nobody will stand up to the bullies. These things must be fought against, hard - and especially by people who identify as Christians but also by anyone who cares about the harm that is being done. e.g., states don't have to passively wait for Federal laws - we can pass local ones firming up protections for medical care right now. Congress may be non-functional these days, but there are other ways to get things done: local governments, or nonprofits. And if the "religions" want to join in, even if just offering funding, that's fantastic - but we need to do it either way, with or more likely without the majority of them.

And due to inflation, we keep paying more for that exact privilege!

Let's see... war, famine, pestilence, plague - nope, nothing about giant bears.

There you go then, now we can all go nuts, flushing away!:-)

Only if climate change doesn't kill us all first:-)

Okay well if you want to talk more about it we can but obviously not if you need a break. I did warn you... that video is... a LOT to have to process! I have watched it many times and still can't quite put my finger on it.

If in part it seems like it is missing something, note that it is: judgement. The creator does not say whether these things are "good" or "bad", as almost every other YouTuber does these days, but simply presents the information for us to make up our own judgements. Wow, such respect accorded to us!

Fwiw I think you are right about a lot of what you said: the forces of Globalization and Automation are changing our world, and Democracy isn't as necessary as it once was, to have e.g. advances in science, technology, and so on. e.g. Boeing planes can literally fall out of the sky, and what do trillionaires care for the loss of a few more of the masses, among the billions of people already on this planet, when they have computers and possibly a single pilot to fly their fleet of tens of private jets anywhere and however they want?

Anyway, rest easy - these things won't be solved overnight, or possibly at all, but either way they are kinda out of our hands.

Or doesn't string theory postulate that electrons themselves are merely vibrations of even more foundational... thingies, though ofc nobody really knows much about that.

Maybe we're all part of the same waveform duality equation:-). I really dislike the thought that I could be in any way related to Donald Trump, but it does give me compassion to think that there but for the grace of God (and education, and genetics, and circumstances, and hopefully many more things added to this list to provide separation:-) go I, or any of us really.

Or like a forklift (or tank!). Dang boy, what have they been feeding you out there!? :-P

I only do it once a day even - the flossing part before bed is by far the most important iirc.

"Need"? Not really.

"Want"? Absolutely, apparently.

But it is their house, so their rules, and the issue of corruption in the world won't be solved overnight. The same if someone says "you can't smoke weed at my house", okay then... you know what to do about it - find another house, or even make one on your own.:-)

Here's to hoping that it happens right at midnight for ya! :-D

Sadly, corruption won't go away anytime soon, though I do wonder how long the UK and USA will both last, when trillionaires have more money than actual governments.:-(

See e.g. the story in the USA where the whistleblower was "suicided" while testifying against Boeing for failure to follow safety protocols. Wings are falling off of planes, and nobody will do a damn thing about it.:-( Bc why should a person who has their own jet want to pay taxes to pay the salaries of those who enforce safety standards, just to protect The Poors?:-(

Depending on your method of access to your Lemmy.World instance, there should be a view source button where you can see exactly how this was done. Have fun with it, and use responsibly! :-)

Already ha... oh uh, I mean nope, I sure wouldn't do that, ossifer law! :-P

One thing that trips me up is that even if at best someone SUCCEEDS in developing such an AI, even one that can essentially replace humanity (in whatever roles), what then would become of us afterwards? Wall-E tells a poignant and, to me at least, extremely realistic portrait of what we would do in that eventuality: sit down and never even so much as ever bother to stand up again. With all of our needs and every whim catered to by a slave force, what use would there even be to do so?

Star Trek was only one possible future, but how many would have the force of will or mind, and then be backed up by enough someones capable of enacting such a future, much less building it up from scratch? Also, it is best to keep in mind how that society was (1) brought back from an extinction-level event, which well-neigh almost destroyed the Earth (i.e., if it had been a tad bit more powerful it would have, thus it was by an extremely narrow margin that they escaped oblivion to begin with), followed by (2) meeting up with external beings who caused humanity to collect itself to face this new external pressure, i.e. they were "saved", by the aliens presence. Even though they managed to collect themselves and become worthy of it in the end, at the time it happened it was by no means an assured event that they would survive.

Star Wars, minus the Jedi, seems a much more likely, to my fatalism-tainted mind, where people are literally slaves to the large, fat, greedy entities who hoard power just b/c they can. Fighting against that takes real effort, which we seem unwilling to expend. Case in point: the only other option to Trump is... Biden, really!? Who has actually managed to impress me, doing far more than I had expected - though only b/c my expectations were set so low to begin with:-).

Some short stories if you are interested:

One is that I was a Reddit mod, for a small niche gaming sub. I stepped down. I guided the sub at a time when literally nobody else was willing to step up, and as soon as some people did, I stepped back, mostly just training them, and then when one more agreed I stepped out entirely. Perhaps it corrupted me, but apparently not too much - maybe b/c it was not "much" power?

Two, I cannot find the article right now b/c of enshittification of Google, but there are some fascinating studies showing that AIs do all sorts of crazy things, which supports how much of it is truly logical/rational behavior rather than crazy to begin with. One described a maze-running experiment where, once the "step cost" got to be high enough, the agent was trained to undertake higher & higher risks in order to just exit the maze ASAP - even if that meant finding the "bad"/"hell" rather than "good"/"heaven" exit. Like if good=+100 points, bad=-100 points, and the step cost is -10 points, with the goal being to maximum your score, then every 10 steps is equivalent to another "bad" exit. So like if you took 30 steps to find the good exit that is only -300+100=-200 points whereas if you took only 5 steps to find the bad exit that is -50-100=-150, which is overall higher than the good exit. Suicide makes sense, when living is pain and your goal is to minimize that, for someone who has nothing else to live for. i.e., some things seem crazy only when we do not fully understand them.

Three, this video messed me up, seriously. It is entirely SFW, I just mean that the thoughts that it espoused blew me away and I still have no idea how to integrate them into my own personal philosophy, or even whether I should... but the one thing I know for sure is that after watching it, I will never think the same way again.:-)