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Why do you think they don't?
  • I think there could be a game changer. If I remember right, they already found a way to reproduce cheese and other dairy products in the lab, which can't be distinguished from the original. The only problem is that it's such an act to start it in Europe under the European Parlament. I think it was "precision fermantation"

    For example, companies like Perfect Day are pioneering this technology, using fermentation to produce milk proteins without cows. By feeding sugars to microflora, these organisms create the same proteins found in cow's milk, which can then be used to make products like ice cream, cheese, and yogurt. This process reduces greenhouse gas emissions by up to 97% compared to traditional dairy farming, offering both environmental and ethical benefits​(InsideHook)​(ScienceDaily). https://www.insidehook.com/food/precision-fermentation-milk-dairy https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240801121845.htm

  • Why do you think they don't?
  • Which reveals how little they understand about what they're talking about

    But you can just simply ask them if they want to say by that that cutting an onion is in principle the same as cutting the throat of a cow. They'll row back then I assume

  • Do animals feel love and emotion?
  • Downvoting this guy for stating this simple fact won't change the fact.

    It's like throwing a middle finge at a person in a discussion where the other person tells you a simple truth that you just don't like. You'd look like a fool. So why do it here? It's infantil. Just go into a nice discussion

  • Do animals feel love and emotion?
  • An omnivore is predisposed to eat anything. Absent synthetic food processing? Yes, an omnivore must eat both meat and plants.

    No. That is just plain wrong. By the same logic, you are predisposed to rape when you have a penis. Saying that an omnivore must eat both (meat and plants) is unscientific. I gave you the hint that there is something like scientific consensus about this topic, but you still refuse to open your mind about this topic and look for some facts. That's sad

    But at the same time, most of the world doesn’t have the privilege to decide whether or not to eat only specific things

    Why do you talk about the world now? Did I say everybody has to eat plant based? No. I just pointed out how it's unethical to pay for innocent beings to suffer and die when the only reason you have is "I like meat, it tastes good" (while there are definitly thousand plant based dishes with the same taste experience available, easily)

    It’s simply nature.

    Appeal to nature fallacy

    I don’t criticize your reasons for not eating meat.

    You don't criticize that I refuse to pay for innocent animals to suffer and die without any necessity? Why would you? Or do you state this, just so you can say "so don't criticize my way", because that would make no sense

    But if you think your arguments are novel to me, you’re wrong. And if you think I eat meat only for flavor, you’re also wrong.

    I don't care about if they're novel to you. You fail to explain how it's justifyable to pay for animals to suffer and die. You want to claim there is a necessity? You fail to give one

    Don't get me wrong, it's not about you. I don't care about you and your choices. However, you responded here saying "There’s nothing wrong with being omnivorous as long as you’re ethical about it." which is simply absurd, so now we kind of have to go down this road.

    We need to reduce the amount of animal protein we take in - not because of ethics, but because it’s unhealthy to overindulge.

    So you can't justify the suffering and death of these innocent animals, therefore you just pretend that there is no ethical conflict?

    Reality is complicated. I don’t deal in absolutes.

    Reality in regard to this isn't complicated. Go and watch dominion, then come back and tell me the reason why those animals deserve that, even though there is no actual necessity for that

    No, it's really simple. There were no absolutes in this discussion.

  • Do animals feel love and emotion?
  • What? You don't eat cats, okay. But what's the point?

    There is nothing wrong with being an omnivore lol. Sure, it's just what you are. Does being an omnivore mean you HAVE TO eat meat or do you think that the scientific consensus might be that we don't have to?

    And if we don't have to, what's the main reason why you still eat it? Taste? Personal pleasure? Do you think that this is a good justification for harming other individuals?

    You can't be ethical about "killing individuals that don't want to die for trivial reasons like taste pleasure" which might sound a bit overexaggerated at first, however if you look it up and find out that you don't have to eat any meat, you'll see that it's exactly that. It's not ethical.

    Test if by changing the situation while you keep the logic. Tell me where personal sensory pleasure is a legit justification to bring harm or death upon individuals

  • Do animals feel love and emotion?
  • Well, why not start with gradual changes?

    If you feel bad, you already made the first step: listening to yourself because you already realised how wrong it is.

    If you need motivation, watch dominion. I think it's fair to say that people should have footage like that in the back of their mind when they want to enjoy animal products.

    You might not believe me, but changing things like your diet to be free of any animal cruelty feels fucking great, and it just takes a certain amount of time to learn new recipes and then it's just easy going.

    I can help you with whatever you struggle with if you ever need some help

  • Do animals feel love and emotion?
  • Not only dogs and cats are individuals who have their own way of showing how they feel and how much they love you.

    Most people would probably switch to a vegan lifestyle if they realised how much we underestimate animals (and overestimate ourselves)

  • Reddit is making sitewide protests basically impossible
  • What? Where have you been that you have this kind of opinion? It's basically the same as reddit: You do have your bubbles, you do have open minded communities, you also have closed minded communities. Your experience is therefore dependend on where you go.

    For example: Joining a vegan server to say "meat is great" will lead to a shitshow. But that's not supprising and it's not because Lemmy per se harbors militant people.

  • 2024 is about 75% done. Let's recommend the best games of 2024, but with a twist: only the ones with no paid DLC!
  • At the beginning, it definitly is. But after you played several runs, you get less and less new ways of winning. The game offers you new jokers whenever you make some significant progress and for a while, thats a lot of fun.

    I haven't had so much fun for a while now. I played it for like 40 or 50 hours

  • 2024 is about 75% done. Let's recommend the best games of 2024, but with a twist: only the ones with no paid DLC!
  • I do. It's on my wishlist because I have so many new games that I didn't play yet that it wouldn't make sense to buy it now I just wondered, in regard to the gameplay, if some people eventually feel bored after some days :) so thanks for the feedback

  • What’re people’s take are veganism and pregnancy?
  • Edit: Oh sorry, this was one year ago. I didn't see

    Same here. We were worried as well, although everything seemed fine because we had expensive supplements all the way. However, my wife then decided to eat eggs again because she was too scared that she was not eating enough of certain nutrients (this was based on scientific research about vegan diets during pregnancy and one key nutrient was cholin, which is high in eggs, plus extreme cravings my wife started to have for eggs out of nowhere during pregnancy)

  • What’re people’s take are veganism and pregnancy?
  • I have to admit that we broke with it in pregnancy.

    But the reason was that we searched for the latest information about eating vegan during pregnancy and it was a bit confusing. Some sources said it's save when you have some food supplements (which we had), but others said there is always a certain risk especially in regard to cholin. So that's why my wife decided that she will eat eggs. She also had this inner desire for it during pregnancy that you typically get when you miss out on any nutrient (like when your body needs iron, you might get this inner desire for foods that are high in iron) and that was gone within a week after our child was born.

    And I say "we broke" because it was our decision. I personally didn't change anything. We found a local source for the eggs where the circumstances for the chicken could be described as the best circumstances you can have, although I don't know where they get their chicken from (probably from the industry)

    Btw, I always said that I wouldn't change anything, not even in pregnancy if there is no latest evidence proving the vegan diet to be very risky, but when you are at that point, you wan't it to be 100% safe. So that's why we figured that we will do it that way

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