Definitely. Although I'd suggest bordering the text area too.
Screenshot, as requested. v.2.29.0. The answer field is a little more distinct here than when I last looked at it — at night, with my blue-screen filter on. But I think it's still fairly clear that the text box and the background are too similar in color.
Uploaded to Imgur because the [upload image] button here doesn't work. I select an image, I see the progress spinner gif, then...nothing.
Done. BTW, still don't understand the reason for/necessity of the "!"
Just a friendly UI/UX note for Voyager team: On my phone, the “Application answer” box — that sign-up page says must be filled out — is literally invisible because the box is black, and the background is…basically black. I had to tap, and tap, and tap, and tap around before I got a cursor where I could type my answer.
I do mention instances — couched in familiar context clues that help to both define and plant the seed that it's Lemmy lingo. And as I said, this was off the top of my head. It's a starting point. :)
Decent point about r/nba — although that at least looks like part of a URL, which is more of a clue than, say, nba@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which looks like it's going to send an email to some seemingly random domain that is not related to the URL currently in my address bar.
I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying its an unnecessarily steep learning curve. :)
BTW, if anyone here has any connection with Voyager, let them know that their sign-up/application page needs different coloring. On my phone, the "Application answer" box — that the page says must be filled out — is literally invisible because the box is black, and the background is...basically black. I had to tap, and tap, and tap, and tap around before I got a cursor.
OK, so here's the thing: I follow this link...
https://lemm.ee/post/33870928 ...and I see that it's from 10 months ago, and I see above you say "they're still there, keeping the community active" — which is nice to hear... But looking at that page, I don't have the slightest idea how to get from that post to the rest of that community. Apparently, I click "thebirdspapaya_snark@lemmy.ca" at the top of the sidebar — but that's not readily apparent. There's no name for the community that I can see — only what looks like an email addy, which is meaningless to me as a casual visitor. And while you say the community is "active," when I do click that link, I see only 4 posts in the last month. Those posts do seem to have pretty good engagement, and lots of activity today, so I guess weekly threads are just how they roll.
But it doesn't, on the surface, look like a place where there's engaging new content on the regular. And the fact that the community name looks like an email address is just confusing — especially since both the community's header and subhead are exactly the same address.
I can see how to you this might look like thriving example of average users on Lemmy. But what I see is everything that makes Lemmy confusing and off-putting.
Federation can be explained at the 10,000-foot level by just saying something like, "You know how Reddit subs are moderated by volunteer from the community, and Wikipedia is edited by volunteers? Lemmy has volunteers all the way down. It's coded by volunteers, it's hosted by hundreds of volunteers, and all those independent instances connect together to make a whole that serves the same purpose as a Reddit or Facebook." That's just off the top of my head. I was toying with a a simile about cruise ships vs. a flotilla of fishing boats, but that one got a way from me. I'll come up with better descriptions later. It's something I'm fairly good at.
Some of those are relatively decent explainers, but what's needed is simplification of the whole onboarding process and UX. Having to read a 2000-word treatise on the Fediverse doesn't solve the problem of the Fediverse being confusing in the first place. :)
To me, the solution is a streamlined onboarding, like I've proposed, driving most people toward one or two common, popular instances where they can just sign up and just find posts that interest them — then let them/help them discover how to further explore once they've got the hang of it.
You can't read about how to use Lemmy any more than you can read about how to ride a bike. And yet, most of the pople trying to drive Lemmy adoption are explaining, explaining, explaining instead of trying to make it simple.
I'm not saying those explainers shouldn't exist. I'm saying they only help people who want to understand Lemmy rather than helping people who just want somewhere to go for a feed of interesting community topics.
I'm sorry, but you've completely missed the point of this post. I wasn't literally asking those questions (and I did literally say exactly that). That's why each set of questions was couched in an [average user voice] "tag". The point is that these are things nobody needs to ask when signing up for Facebook, etc. They are barriers to anyone to joining Lemmy for who isn't already highly tech-literate.
I was invited to comment here by u/BlazeAlt on Reddit last week regarding ways to lower the barriers to joining the Fediverse for average users — so here I go.
I'm sure a lot of this has been discussed ad nauseam, but I do have some specific starting suggestions at the end.
With corporate, single-instance social media, there's one place you go sign up, and you're in. You can find things that interest you with a simple search, and you can find people you know either by their names (Facebook) or by a very simple handle ([at]nickname). And if you're trying to build up an online identity — say, for your new podcast — if you're handle is unique enough you can end each episode with "and you can find us at MyNewPodcast on all the socials!"
Federated social media requires you to choose an instance before you can even sign up. But...
[average user voice]
- What the hell's an "instance"?
- How do I choose one?
- Why do I have to choose one?
- What do their names mean?
- What does the instance I choose say about me? -Does choosing one over another have any effect on the experience I will have?
- How does someone on another instance find me?
- How do I find someone on another instance?
- How do I find topics on another instance? -Does my choice of instance affect my access to those topics?
- Are the rules different on each instance?
- Who sets the rules?
- Where do I find them?
- What if I want to change instances?
- Will anyone be able to find me?
- How will they know I'm still me?
[/end average user voice]
Federated social media also requires weirdly complicated handles. [average user voice]
- Why are there two @ signs?
- What does it mean if there's a "!" instead of a "@" at the beginning?
- What the hell are all these weird domain names?
- Why can't I be just [at]TheSameHandleIUsedOnTwitter?
- If I'm trying to create an online identity, what's to stop someone from using [at]MyHandle[at]SomeOtherInstance.url and posing as me?
- What's the Lemmy equivalent of a blue check?
- If there isn't one, how can anyone be sure someone on Lemmy saying they're me really is me? -I mean, other than starting my own instance with recognizable name — but then I have to learn how to host my own instance.
[/end average user voice]
To be clear: I'm not literally asking these questions. I'm just illustrating some of the hurdles to adoption I described above, and some of the ways in which federated social media is exponentially more complicated than corporate social media.
As for solutions, I don't have an all-encompassing proposal at the moment. But a good place to start would be to agree upon a single default instance for new users to sign up, so that instead of being faced with "first choose an instance," it would be...
>Welcome to Lemmy.URL, where you can join Lemmy communities for any topic, all over the world! >What do you want your username to be? >- [____________] > >OK, do you want your username to use a common lemmy "instance," like... >- [ ] ____________ [at] lemmy.URL >- [ ] ____________ [at] lemm.ee >- [ ] ____________ [at] etc. > >OR would you like more custom username connected to a particular Lemmy community, like... >- [ ] ____________ [at] sci-fi-fans.url >- [ ] ____________[at] knittingnuts.url >- [find Lemmy instances where your username is available] >- [I know which Lemmy instance I want to join first] > >Choosing a community-based username doesn't affect how you use Lemmy — no matter what community you chose, you'll have access to all the same content, communities, users, and feeds.
The [find Lemmy instances] button would lead to a page where you check off various areas of interest to then get a curated subset of relevant instances with a reasonable amount of information about them to help new users select one.
The [I know which instance] button would have you fill in the name of the instance, check if your username is available, then take you to that sign-up page.
So...something akin to join-lemmy.org, but with a flow closers to what I've described above, with very few, easy, "common" default choices, and a little more help through the process of choosing a specialized instance (if you want one).
This onboarding suggestion doesn't solve most of the problems/questions in my bullet lists (ideas still forming), but it would help prevent what happened to me the first few times I looked into Lemmy, which was that as soon as I saw I had to choose an instance before I did anything else — with pretty much zero information on what that meant or how it would affect my use of Lemmy — I said, "I don't have the time for this."
BTW, as I write this, my first Lemmy post, I will also add that the comment fields need to be WYSIWYG for if Lemmy ever hopes to be populated by refugees from Reddit, etc. Creating the quote section above was a huge pain in the ass, that required multiple rounds of [Preview] [Edit] [Preview] [Edit] [Preview] [Edit] [Preview] [Edit].
Food for thought. Cheers.