Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
First, I think Ernest has done a fantastic job and I've been rooting for him this whole time. But it's becoming clear it's all too much for him without the support of a larger team.
Over the last several months there have been multiple posts about the spam problems on this instance, both here and on other instances. We've been fortunate so far they haven't simply defederated us.
Now when I go to the Hot page it's 12 hours out of date.
It's with a heavy heart I looked into a kbin fork mentioned in another thread in this magazine: Mbin.
GitHub: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin
Instance list: https://fedidb.org/software/mbin
The largest instance: https://fedia.io/
I'll miss you Kbin. It's been good. Thanks Ernest!
It's not the purpose of this post to support any particular instance. Feel free to mention your own alternatives below.
Funny thing...
Underneath all of the sycophantic language, this thread somehow still has the same stench as the past mbin concern troll threads.
I'm just not buying it.
Again, the point here isn't what the alternative is.
It's the fact that Kbin isn't WORKING.
Kbin is working fine for me.
If you want to use mbin, just use it - who gives a shit what instance you are on? Innit that the whole point of federation?
I agree. I’m no marathon kbin contributor, but I like it here a lot and I would be happier if this thread was about what we can do to support kbin as an instance.
If mbin where a placeholder for doing this (as in if certain permissions aren’t available yet) then I’d be buoyed up by OP’s thread.
Anyhoo, viva la kbin, viva la federation!I couldn't figure out how to describe the vibe I was getting, but you put it into words very neatly.
is it time to move?
While Kbin is here I am here. I don't think Kbin is dead at all.
I appreciate kbin a lot and I hope Ernest will get back to development when he's ready, but I don't think it makes sense for him also to be responsible for administrating a major instance. That's a huge job.
I'm not entirely sure where I'd move to yet, but if kbin.social is not properly moderated it makes sense to go elsewhere. At some point other instances might have no choice but to defederate.
That's different from giving up on the software - I do still appreciate Kbin a lot. :)
I see alot of people complaining about this or that on the site, but not interacting with what people who are posting are still posting. Not posting anything of their own save complains about the site being as fucked ever it was or instigating jumping ship.
Honestly it's hard to tell what people want at times.
The sole maintainer of the project has been totally MIA for a month and the site has gone down or partially not worked repeatedly for months now. Now we've got issues with post federating on time and spam bots. It's not sustainable like this. I really appreciate what Ernest has done and am a big fan of Kbin, but he's clearly spread too thin and apparently wont allow people to help him.
the site has gone down or partially not worked repeatedly for months now.
Oh please. This site never worked without a hitch. Come on over and have some fun in Taking Covid Seriously or Fagville if-and-when a page refreshes.
Kbin just has the best frontpage honestly, content wise and UI wise.
When Kbin isn’t working I check out Lemmy but it just feels too cluttered. If I didn’t need to get paid I’d help Ernest out but, ya know, capitalism 🤷♂️
Many of the lemmy instances have two or more front-ends available. I find https://photon.lemmy.world/ with the dark them and "List" post style looks pretty nice. There's at least one that just simply replicates old reddit.
You can still use /kbin via another instance: there is kbin.earth by the developer of Interstellar app.
I’ve been feeling it too, and have been on the fence about jumping ship. My block list is growing so fast it’s just a touch obscene. So many pill pushers junk websites and… random and science are hit so hard it’s frustrating.
What's the difference between mbin and fedia?
Mbin is a software "fork". Meaning they took a snapshot of Kbin code and made their own improvements from then on.
Fedia is an instance, or a federated portal, and one of the ways you can use Mbin code. This is the largest Mbin instance - it has the most users.
Great clarification, thank you!
@Seraph According to https://status.lemm.ee the federation is not receiving data on real time from any kbin or mbin instance. I am following kbinmeta there and the most recent post is from three days ago. Fedia and kbin.run (both mbin) looks like two weeks ago is the earliest.
Edit: Looks like ot took about 21 hours for a kbin post to hit lemm.ee. No comments
..just post. So a 21 one hour delay so far.You're right I noticed this today as well.
So how do you move a kbin magazine over to a new instance like fedia.io?
Unfortunately not possible right now as far as I'm aware.