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U.S. says Israel has agreed to the framework for a Gaza cease-fire. Hamas now must decide

www.kcrg.com U.S. says Israel has agreed to the framework for a Gaza cease-fire. Hamas now must decide

Israel has essentially endorsed a framework of a proposed Gaza cease-fire and hostage release deal, and it is now up to Hamas to agree to it, a senior U.S. administration official said Saturday.

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The Israelis “have more or less accepted” the proposal, which includes the six-week cease-fire in Gaza as well as the release by Hamas of hostages considered to be vulnerable, which includes the sick, the wounded, the elderly and women, said the official.

So...

Exactly like last week when it was supposed to have happened by now?

Israel hasn't agreed to anything. This is a rumour that they may accept a hypothetical deal as a PR move.

Meanwhile their genocide hasn't slowed down. They're just trying to minimize the PR damage from gunning down all those innocent starving people
- As the article says, they've agreed to the framework. Next they need Hamas agreement, then they need to work on detail. It's a positive step, not negative.
  
  No…. It’s a qualified statement. “Basically” is leaking an awful lot of water instead of carrying it.
  
  And “agreeing to a framework” is very different to actually agreeing to an actual ceasefire.
  
  The “official” is using an awful lot of words to say not-much.
  
  As the article says
  
  No.
  
  A US official said they "have more or less accepted" it...
  
  I literally just quoted that part.
  
  Do you not understand how that's different than what you're claiming?
I hope people will read past the propagandist headline.

The proposal, as it was last week, is essentially you Palestine give us everything we want and all your negotiating power, we Israel will stop murdering you for Ramadan, then we're back in force after regrouping and no more threat of bad PR for killing our own...

That's not a framework for a ceasefire or a peace deal. It also plays that Israel is ready for peace and it's Hamas holding it back as always. When you're not even close to an agreement of terms, and you "leak" such details, it's an obvious ploy for media attention that it has received and straight out of the propaganda playbook.

That's not hyperbole by the way. The IDF has one of the best "how to propaganda" books in the world that was developed with the US. It is freely available for anyone to read and talks about which words to use when. Which news to leak. How to frame negotiations to paint themselves positively while not allowing actual advancement. It's a great read for everyone to be aware of when they see these methods used all over the world as it is widely adopted now.
- As opposed to Hamas' plan which is the complete destruction of Israel and all its people
  
  Not true. Basically, they want an end to the apartheid.
  
  Is is a complicated history but even the Hamas founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. That's a lie, and also intentionally ignores the 2017 Revised charter. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version too. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there's no need to make things up about Hamas to show they've done terrible things. Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.
  
  Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
  
  History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
  
  Gaza Blockade is still Occupation
  
  Dahiya Doctrine
  
  Gaza March for Return Protest
  
  Apartheid
  
  AWRAD Gaza War Poll
  
  PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023
Another temporary ceasefire proposal. Once again Israel prioritizes the continued bombing of Gaza over everything else
- All ceasefires are temporary, otherwise they would be peace treaties.
  
  A permanent ceasefire is where there is no date when the fighting resumes. A temporary ceasefire is when the fighting resumes after a set amount of time. But I agree that a peace treaty is the right thing to advocate for too.
- So would you prefer no ceasefire?
  
  I would prefer an actual permanent ceasefire and an end to the decade long permanent occupation. I would prefer the apartheid state to be dismantled and a new state with equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians to take its place.
  
  Literally yes if the temporary ceasefire will just let Israel continue their genocide in six weeks. Hamas has been pretty clear they won't accept anything less than a permanent ceasefire (or as permanent as one with Israel can get) after the mess that is the last one.
Hamas will refuse.
- They've turned down every ceasefire proposal so far, but eventually they'll have to accept one. Israel is not going to go home when there are still over a hundred hostages in Gaza.
  
  They stated their terms. At least a permanent ceasefire so they don't get genocided after two months.
- where can I buy your crystal ball
- Well yes, they've already stated they won't take a temporary ceasefire.
Wow, Michigan put a fire under Biden’s ass
- Same thing happened to Obama before he was re elected.

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