They hate democracy almost as much as Republicans.

In the USA, voting Third Party is just helping Republicans, aka. the Fascists.

If you want to change something, organise and unionise.

But dont throw away Democracy, just to be the smuggest guy in the concentraition-camp in the end...

If you want to change something, organise and unionise.

Moderates sabotage those efforts.
- But they occasionally work. Name 1 3rd party candidate that has won the presidential election and shut the fuck up.
Voting for someone that does not represent you because you are more scared of the other guy is indistinguishable, as a signal, from someone that fully supports them. By voting against your own interests you are actively undermining the democratic process.

Democracy has forever been synonymous with class based societies. It has split entire countries into two barely-distinctive political parties (conservative and "progressive") that are nevertheless permanently at each other's throats. Even in its most libertarian-friendly forms, it has constantly failed to avert hierarchy, coercion and the authoritarian machinations of majority-groups.

Unfortunately, many countries have First-Past-The-Post voting systems, so voting for a third party is often, mathematically, basically the same as voting for the competition.

It's called "The Spoiler Effect", if you want to look it up, and it's why we have many of the two party problems we have today in modern democracy. Ranked Choice/Single Transferrable Vote are much better systems.

Well, many democracies do not vote for their president directly – parliament elects one. They are usually from the strongest party, although if enough smaller parties can get a majority, they can elect the president.
- Yeah but FPTP is used for parliament in those countries, which means the party that chooses the president is elected via it.
  
  Ranked Choice, STV, or Mixed Member Proportional Ranking are much better systems. I wish more countries used it.
Ranked Choice/Single Transferrable Vote are much better systems.

Which moderates will never support.
- I don't think it's a moderate, left, or right problem. More a "the current power structure will never support it" because it works for those in power now to their advantage.

4th panel is what you're going to get when a republican wins the white house because "leftists" voted for a spoiler candidate.

Moderates will too. Maybe they'll look back and think "Perhaps we should have compromised a bit."
- What’s to stop them from compromising with the base of the party that won and become even more auth facist as a result

“I’m going to vote against the dude that is giving weapons to Israel, who gives weak-effort strongly worded letters to try to stop being assholes in the butchering of Gaza. Nevermind that in doing so it ensures the win of the fascist megalomaniac who will shove weapons faster, and has given full throated support to Israel, along with the party that says that everyone in Gaza should die. That’ll teach them. Fuckin moderates, compromise with me or I’ll help Gaza burn faster.”

“I’m going to vote for a dude that will ensure the comfort of westerners at the cost of black and brown lives around the world and I feel good about this because the alternative is worse. Of course my life is more important than someone in Gaza! The status quo of this system isn’t stomping on me as much as it can and I’d like to keep it that way as long as I can. Yes, please focus your stomping boot somewhere else and I’ll continue to vote for that boot. There’s no ethical line I won’t cross to save myself from oppression because I’m a coward who refuses to listen to the oppressed”

Democracy is already dead if we are forced to vote for genocide. It might just take those comfortable with the status quo longer to figure that out.
Ok now do moderates.
- Easy.
  
  “We like how things are and while we like some of what you offer and suggest you want it all or nothing which is too much of a shock so we’ll stick with what we know. But right now we’re literally trying to fight off a fascist Hitler wanna-be, how about we fucking discus this later?”
- The GOP is running out of cash saving the orange fascist from the results of his own actions. They'll go bankrupt and then we'll have a one party system where everyone will have to vote for whatever our party brass puts on the ballot for us.

This reeks of right wing propaganda.

3rd party candidates will never win. Ross Perot did the best in 92 and did not capture a single state.

There is no 3rd party candidate currently doing as well as Perot was doing in 96 - when he dropped out of the race - much less as well as he did in 92.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_presidential_election

Heck, there isn't one doing as well as Anderson did in 1980:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election

All a progressive 3rd party candidate can accomplish is a Biden loss.

If you want 4 more years of Trump, vote 3rd party.

All a progressive 3rd party candidate can accomplish is a Biden loss.

Sounds like Biden should make some compromises in order to get those votes then doesn't it?
- He literally can't, because the compromise progressives want is to stop the attack on Gaza and Biden can't stop that, only Bibi can and he is absolutely intent on killing everyone in Gaza.
  
  Cutting off aid to Gaza isn't going to stop the attack because Israel isn't reliant on current aid to make it happen. They have a stockpile built up from decades of support.
  
  So, Biden tells Israel to get fucked, he loses the campaign donations from the Israel pac to get elected.
  
  https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
  
  https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2023/12/pro-israel-pacs-poised-to-spend-big-to-unseat-progressive-members-of-congress-in-2024-election-cycle
  
  https://thepoliticswatcher.com/pages/articles/congress/2023/12/7/aipac-donations-congress-members-unveiling-influence
  
  There is no equivalent donation machine on the Palestinian side, they have bigger things to worry about.
- Watch Trump come out during the RNC convention and condemn Israel and the genocide. Just raw dogging that cognitive dissonance. Get Dan Scavino on the phone. Let’s do a focus group and just fuck this shit up. /s

I just realized America’s entire history has been right wing propaganda.

There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even tacitly take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all

-Mario Savio