Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits
Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits
The state's highest court reversed a judge's dismissal of the case involving embryos destroyed by a wandering Mobile hospital patient.
The state's highest court reversed a judge's dismissal of the case involving embryos destroyed by a wandering Mobile hospital patient.
Alabama families who are struggling with fertility can now look forward to no fertility clinics willing to endure the legal risk of operating in that state.
Great job republicans. These weird ass “pro life” laws continue to prevent people who want kids from having them, or prevent people from having them without dying.
Seems like part of the goal. Outlaw abortion, force everyone who doesn't want a child to hand it over to the state, which will outsource to religious organizations, and then tighten up the child supply so anyone who can't have but wants a child will have to go through a local church to get access, and the price will go up.
Win win win for the religious fanatics.
Soon it'll be illegal to end your ovulation cycle because every egg is a life. Jesus these people are some fucking dumb religious zealots.
A recent (satire) headline from The Onion: https://www.theonion.com/alabama-middle-schooler-jailed-after-taking-basketball-1851186115
That's what makes them so incredibly dangerous.
The stupid sword cuts everyone including its owner.
That's exactly what this is trying to do.
It won't be long before the Monty Python song about every sperm being sacred, becomes the MAGA crowds mantra. Wankers that they are.
I gotta confess. Cuz the guilt is overwhelming.
In my teens and early twenties, I committed A LOT of sacrilege on a daily basis.
We're talking millions of coulda-been-babies that ended up wrapped in tissue and tossed into trash cans.
bOtH sIdEs aRe tHe sAmE!!!
The fuck they are. If you are a woman voting republican you are OK with other people telling you what to do with your body.
Sooo how does it work when you've done a successful IVF and still got a bunch of Frozen embryos waiting somewhere? Do you get back at home and put them in the freezer until you die? Are you mandated to carry them to term? What if a woman dies in a car accident before she had a chance to carry the embryo? Is the man mandated to find someone to carry them to term? I have so many questions
Declare them all as dependents and apply for their welfare checks, and see what they say
GQP: No not like that!
I get you are just making a joke but I hate responses like this, it completely misses the point. It's like those dumb carpool memes. It just doesn't work like that.
Fascists absolutely do not care about consistent ideology. Their goal is to hurt people, it's about power and disciplining/terrorizing the working class. We are cattle to them, our only purpose for existing is to serve and if we get too uppity they turn the screws. They are trying to systematically hurt and depower certain groups of people, not apply some consistent ideology. They will always just do whatever gives them power and takes power away from the groups they have deemed lower.
I would imagine you have to pay to store them until you can find an out of state clinic to take them and dispose of them. This won't result in fewer embryo terminations. It will likely just mean IVF will be more expensive.
This only applies to the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act, so if the parents agree, it's legal.
Don't forget kids, a miscarriage is murder.
Slavery is freedom.
Those with money are the only people who matter, and whoever has the most is the one who deserves to decide every aspect of how everyone else should live.
So ... if they are people ... and they aren't used for 21 years ... can their infant form but alcohol?
They'll probably argue something about needing to have had their 21st birthday but birthdays don't start until birth.
They could apply for retirement benefits at 50.
IVF results in children being born who otherwise would not have been. These are women who want to be pregnant and give birth. Yet, the pro-life movement is trying to destroy this kind of healthcare.
Well we are disproportionately likely to be born as abominations unto
nugganthe lord, or as we’re called in lands of sin “intersex”.But seriously chimerism is more common among us IVF babies and that does mean that we’re more likely to have different cells have different sex chromosomes. Idk if these people know about that but it is something I can see them using as justification here.
The catholic justification is that it never mattered if you wanted to make a child, what matters is if god wants you to. And if you really want a kid anyways adopt.
abominations unto
nugganExcellent reference to an excellent book (Monstrous Regiment) from an excellent series by an excellent author.
GNU Terry Pratchett.
Edit: fixed my markdown
Its all bioreactionary stuff, really. Its always been about control and conformity to their idea of a """natural""" role.
Using technology to aid in reproduction is seen as bad because it's doing something """nature"""/"""god""" did not dictate you do as per their highly authoritarian worldview.
Basically anything that would let you have agency over your body is hated by these people, because their real ideology is one of control, social and physical conformity, and obedience (to "god", to what's "natural", to repressive social norms, to churches, to parents - these folks view children as property, to whatever hierarchy exists, to some strongman leader, etc. :/)
The same logic applies to something as comparatively minor as hairdye or piercings - they always freak out about that stuff, ever notice? - to something as major as being trans or the state of someone's uterus. Its all about control over people's bodies and minds and identities to what they may deem "natural" (or often "godly") (which usually involves hierarchies of prejudice as well as opposing any technological means to have control over yourself, and also opposing people's access to information and critical thinking skills - e.g. promoting internet censorship often of queer groups <.<, or opposing science & critical thinking education).
Anything that gives people the option to decide for themselves what they want - technologically, socially, informationally - rather than obeying some higher authority ("nature", "god", the state, corporations, parents, social norms) is opposed. Anything that demonstrates people have used those methods - such as any kind of transition stuff, miscarrages (because it "could" be due to abortificants nya), or the things mentioned earlier - is to be punished. Socially, monetarily, physically, legally, anything.
half the shit they preach isn't "natural" either!
if they so want to be "natural" I'd like to see them barely dressed in scraps of leather fucking in the forest clearning and grunting at others for coming up to them when they're eating, then dying of food poisoning because reading a plants guide is unnatural and that mushroom looked tasty. Ditch the cell phones, ditch the glasses, ditch the shoes, none of them are natural.
it's literally all arbitrary, all made up to fit their worldview
I for one am sick and tired of everyone talking about freedom and 2A rights when nobody has done a single fucking thing about the obvious tyranny.
There's another thread begging us not to excoriate Alabama citizens because of a few corrupt politicians and religious wackos. NO. I was born there. My family are there. And they are a bunch of psychotic freedom-hating, gun-toting, bible-thumping neanderthal psychopaths just like their politicians are.
Here are the facts: the people whining and complaining about this sit there and take it. It's always someone else; it's never the psychotic lunatics in their own family, so they take it. If only all those other people would speak up and do something.
My brother has spent his lifetime campaigning for pro-life causes whenever he can because he went to a psychotic christian university. I don't have anything to do with him. His only son killed himself at 13 in a gun mishap but he is masturbating FURIOUSLY over this AL SupCourt decision.
This WILL continue until you ACTUALLY FIGHT IT. If you have no intention to or think that's somehow barbaric, then sit down and shut the fuck up.
Whoops, no they aren't.
Made a whoopsie there, Alabama
This is your brain on Christianity
If embryos are children, then make it illegal to freeze them and lock them away in an ice box.... That's a cruel form of torture
If they’re people they should be given ARs and put on the street to spread freedom.
Plus we should be able to claim them as dependents on our tax returns.
So if they are children we can take them off our taxes? I joke but that same thinking happened in Georgia when the pregnant woman used the HOV lane being the only person in the car.
https://www.liveaction.org/news/georgia-opens-hov-lanes-pregnant-women/
Wow what a tax write off. Imagine claiming child tax credits on frozen embryos… You could just freeze a hundred or even thousands of embryos and watch the cash flow in perpetuity…
The patient removed embryos from the freezer, and “it is believed that the cryopreservation’s subzero temperatures burned the eloping patient’s hands, causing him or her to drop the cryopreserved embryonic human beings on the floor, where they began to slowly die,” one of the filings stated.
So the patient killed his or her frozen embryos and now they're suing the clinic for wrongful death of a minor. Makes sense on so many levels.
This patient killed three other couple's embryos, not their own. The clinic is being sued and I assume (can't find confirmation) that this patient is also getting sued.
Ahh, thanks, I misread. It's still fucking stupid.
Next up: Masturbation is mass murder. Every Sperm is Sacred!