Little me just wanted to learn
Little me just wanted to learn
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Is this about political campaign debates or like high school debate club competitions?
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Yes
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Oh. Yeah. If you ever start to wonder if you might enjoy any part of our political process, you will not.
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I did debate club in highschool and early college, but it was parliamentary style debate. I didn't observe that much bullshit, so I'm guessing the US competitive debate style is different
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Intelligence Squared has good debates. They have a podcast and a youtube channel I think. There's only been one instance I can remember where one side of the debate was arguing in bad faith, and I've been listening for a while so I assume it's pretty rare.
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Rhetoric without substantive argument is just pandering. I'll take both over either, please!
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For an example -NSFW strong language-, here's an AI imitating/mocking the US presidential debate
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Isn't it just a competition to see who can talk the fastest? I watched a video of it once and it seemed so dumb. It's like the entire thing is just finding loopholes
Pretty much.
What I find most problematic is that this culture teaches younglings that there's no such thing as truth. It's just rhetorical trickery and gotchas.
That's because that's how politics works. If you can get enough people to believe that what you say is true and act on that belief, it doesn't really matter whether it's actually true or not.
Rhetorical tricks and gotchas aren’t necessarily in opposition to the truth. You have to be able to communicate effectively to get the truth across, so knowledge of rhetoric is important for countering compelling bullshit.
I remember them being a lot more interesting to watch, and you got a real feel for the candidate's positions (at least their public persona). But for the last ~8 years, it's been just gish galloping.
E.g., Obama vs. Romney was honestly pretty interesting to watch.
In my mind, that was the last real debate. They addressed their opponents comments and added their own. It wasn't an endless stream of buzz words.
There was actually a college debate team who argued about this. There was essentially no rules saying you had to follow the stated topic so they argued about racial prejudices in debate clubs and how it’s really a competition to see who talks the fastest. They ended up winning nationals if I recall correctly